Re: PR: Honeywell Video - Discotinued and Oversock Products

["Roland Moore" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>]

>Do you honestly believe his "story" about how a >shopping cart website can
pull a company from near >bankruptcy to "averaging" $1.5 mil in annual sales
in less >than a year?...  C'mon...
>"Frank Olson"

I never really thought about what Bass does in dollar volume sales. $1.5
million sounds like a lot of volume on one type of gear like burg, but it's
not really so much with another type of gear like video. I was crunching
some numbers myself. For January this year we bought about $6K of just GE
(small) burg/fire product and spent a lot of man hours installing it. For
just Bosch video product it was about $40K and spent almost no time compared
to the burg hours. I didn't look at any access control or fire numbers, but
the delta for an access job versus alarm job is higher than regular alarm
but less than video gear. (Except when it is time to purchase software or
the annual SSA (software support agreement). So it depends on what line he
is selling more of. If it is video gear and/or access gear or even fire gear
it would be far easier to hit $1.5 million than if it was just small burg
stuff. If you had that much volume with mostly burg gear and still had to do
that much hand holding (required for DIY installations) it would have to be
bigger than a one man show. I think he mentioned he could talk someone
through programming in about 2 hours. I can't talk some customers into using
their keypad properly in that amount of time, so he must be a great
instructor over the phone. A panel with more than 50 zones can take me up to
2 hours to write the program for (with custom English zones), download the
panel and have the tech on site check each zone. But on sales of just 4
small burg systems a day it I believe it would be nearly impossible to hit
$1.5 million.


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> Just Looking wrote:
> > Way too much sour grapes. All Bass is doing is taking the items on the
> > Honeywell "Authorized Dealers ONLY" page
> > http://www.honeywellsystems.com/buy/hvs/op/index.html for Outlet
Products
> > and linking it to the same items on his web site. Besides it Honeywell's
> > gear to stand behind (or not), and not really Bass' problem.
>
> Actually, it's not "Bass' problem" at all.  He'll simply "wash his
> hands" of it.  "Caveat emptor" (let the buyer beware).
>
>
> > And why get
> > excited over that stuff? It's some video stuff made by someone besides
> > Honeywell anyway. It just has the Honeywell name on it like the alarm
panels
> > do. You remember the panels with the "over powered" 128 ma polling loop
for
> > SIMs and such? Vista? I think that means view in Spanish. Vista, best in
a
> > far, FAR view in my opinion.
> > Who knows? Maybe Bass is feeling the economic slowdown or is appealing
to
> > those that might be.
>
> Do you honestly believe his "story" about how a shopping cart website
> can pull a company from near bankruptcy to "averaging" $1.5 mil in
> annual sales in less than a year?...  C'mon...  He's a huckster and (in
> you) he's found a guy that will eat his bullshit hook, line, and sinker.
>   He was struggling when he first started posting that "he sells more in
> a day than most alarm companies sell in a month" and he's *still
> struggling*.  He's the biggest liar in USENET.  He's *bragged* about
> spending two hours on the phone with every DIY that buys from him and
> told us some crap about how he sells eleven systems a day.  Do the math,
> Roland.  He's a "one man show".  For *months* (if not over a year) he
> listed a single contact number on his website.  Now he's got three.
> One's a "business line" for Bass Home Electronics (which he lists as
> "incorporated" when it isn't), one's his residence line (which he
> laughingly calls his "fax line"), and one's his Nextel Cell (which he
> refers to as his "customer service" line).
>
>
> > No matter what Bass says, I believe more folks in the
> > business (like the ones posting here) give him more buyers than from
> > anything he is posting here.
>
> They're welcome to him.  If you honestly believe he's able to dupe more
> people (than just you and a few of his "sock puppets") into buying from
> his online shill store, then I've got this really nifty bridge I can
> sell you.  It's just undergone about 14 mil in "rehabilitation".  It's a
> bargain.
>
>
> > If you get a detailed proposal (with parts list
> > and part number) from a reputable alarm or integration company, what's
there
> > to keep you from visiting Bass and getting it cheaper from him?
>
> Ummm...  I dunno...  Maybe they're just plain *stoopid*.
>
>
> > There are
> > always the cockroaches that go for that sort of thing. That is Bass'
niche,
> > let him have it. Does anyone here really need or want that sort of
customer?
>
> Let him "flog" his wares in a newsgroup that cares.  The *only* reason
> he's posting this garbage is (in Graham's words) "he's trolling".  Bass
> is an *asshole*.  In CHA (where the people that post there are actually
> BAss' market), they wouldn't tolerate this kind of crap either.  I
> figure I should respond to each and every one of his "PR", "INFO", "FS",
> and Bush rants with a whole lot more than just the BBB report, but I
> also figure that anyone that cares to "Google" Robert L Bass will get
> the "whole picture" pretty damn fast anyway (and if they still feel they
> want to give him their business, then they deserve what they get).
>
>
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