Re: Problem With ADT System - Need Advice

["pyro" <pound.sand@xxxxxxx>]

Hey Roland... sorry to say but your an idiot as well see my response to your
club house leader Robert...

Are your V.P. of the same club..

Best wishes... Oh just as some additional info. Most of our business
encompasses $60K+ commercial installations not $3-5K home installs. So I
guess I do not have to worry about the bad guys "big loud horn" assult.

: )

"Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >Ok, lets start slowly for you...
> Okay I will.
> Step one. Get a big battery.
> Step two. Get a big loud horn.
> Step three. Get wire.
> Step four. Pick spot to burglarize with Sonitrol Listen-in System.
> Step five. Wire battery to horn. Place at front door of target.
> Step six. Toss rock through window.
> Step seven. Wait until cental station operator has time to hear and ignore
> signals.
> Step eight. Rape, pillage and plunder at will.
> Around here even the lamest burglar knows this trick, so do customers. So
> no one uses Sonitrol with that feature much, even Sonitrol. They've gone
> "conventional" for the most part. All the listen in type systems I see are
> either disconnected or abandon.
> If you use that stuff still and want to pay for it I'll post a message at
> the alarm parts house. I am sure you'd have plenty of used gear in short
> order.
>
> "pyro" <pound.sand@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Ok, lets start slowly for you...
>>
>> Your right Sonitrol is a "listen in technology" that offers "Alarm
>> verification" and as far the Police are concerned this makes the call
>> from a Sonitrol central station a higher priority than if your or any
>> other alarm company called them. This is per the Police departments SOP
>> nor Sonitrol's.
>>
>> Your Hitler comment is embarrassing... yes, to you.
>>
>> All alarm companies  have misses,  life sucks. We are the only company
>> (please enlighten me if there is another) that if we miss we offer our
>> client up to $5000 in compensation. Not a lot (considering what they
>> might have lost) but I believe ADT offer the second highest which is
>> $500. What we can offer is documented proof of over 156,000 apprehensions
>> the Police have made because of our system. No other alarm company to my
>> knowledge (including ADT) track this figure.
>>
>> Lets see, you said "Do you or does anyone really want some central
>> station operator making a decision about your life and property only by
>> what he or she hears?" Well actually you do and consider three things...
>>
>> 1) What the central operator is listening to is the perimeter of your
>> business or home. What that mean is we have advanced notice of the break
>> in. What that means is that Sonitrol has the capability of calling the
>> Police... ok are your ready...BEFORE THE BAD GUY GET'S IN.
>> 2) Ok... If I had to rely on something "making a decision about my life
>> and property" I would probably want to rely on a technology that allows
>> for someone to evaluate the occurrence and that the POLICE DEEM A
>> PRIORITY,  as oppose to technology where the only interaction is a
>> central station operator being notified that a door contact or a motion
>> detector has gone off (Oh yeah, per Police department door contacts and
>> motion detectors false over 90% of the time.).
>> 3) Whether you like it or not or personally agree with it or not as far
>> as the Police are concerned their SOP on call priorities are Police
>> officer in trouble, armed robbery and "VERIFIED" burglar alarm.  Reacting
>> to a Non Verified alarm is 7th on the list.
>>
>> Sonitrol has been in business for over 30 years I am not sure how long
>> MGI had been around. Sonitrol is Nation Wide with location in Canada  and
>> Europe. Sonitrol is the 4th largest Alarm company in the country... and
>> only because only about 25% of our business is residential. We are a
>> Commercial Security Provider.
>>
>> Ahh excellent statement about the insurance companies. We live in a
>> political world. Without politics by now whatever municipality your alarm
>> company exists in the police would be requiring you offer them "Verified
>> Notification" of a break in or else they WOULD NOT RESPOND.
>>
>> Ok, but let's be fair and "unbunch your panties... Everybody make
>> mistakes traditional systems, Sonitrol even the Police make mistakes...
>> nobody is perfect. But come on throw me a bone... The traditional door
>> contact / motion detector systems are a 50+ year old technology. There is
>> really better stuff out there... the problem... the technology
>> (Sonitrol's) is proprietary and Sonitrol limits it's franchises. So ya
>> want poke hold is the Sonitrol system.... go ahead. Maybe you feel it
>> take attention away from the multiple inadequacies and real limitations
>> of your system. You know the Motorola "Brick Phone" was by far one of the
>> best phone for it time and quite frankly if you still own one, pound for
>> pound it a great phone... but that technology as good as it was is just
>> "outdated" and although the phone may work (actually is wont because it
>> is not digital) why would you want to use it when more modern phones
>> (that have their limitation as well) offer some much more reliability.
>>
>> So try not to be so closede minded ... especially since Sonitrol
>> probabally did not allow you to sell ther product line.
>>
>> Again we are the better solution... Sonitrol Security... call for a
>> presentation and evaluate for yourself.
>>
>> Mention Pyro and I'll get back to you..
>>
>> Take Care
>>
>>
>> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:45a5c381$0$5184$4c368faf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >There is a better solution... Sonitrol Security... call for a
>>> >presentation and evaluate for yourself
>>>
>>> Sonitrol is nothing more than a type of listen in technology. That kind
>>> of technology is great for alarm verification and little else. Listening
>>> to Sonitrol Security success stories is like listening to someone talk
>>> about all the good things that Hitler did. Why don't you include how
>>> many missed break-ins and law suits they have? Do you or does anyone
>>> really want some central station operator making a decision about your
>>> life and property only by what he or she hears? I was at a high profile
>>> soft drink manufacturer today listening to how proud the customer was of
>>> us because she saw in the local news where our system caught the bad guy
>>> at a nearby arena major events venue. Lots of folks posting here have
>>> similar success stories to tell. In our case it wouldn't have happened
>>> that way using Sonitrol, and I bet the others here would say the same
>>> thing. I can tell you for certain after using MGI and other now defunct
>>> manufacturers of similar product that it isn't what you seem to think it
>>> is. If it was every insurance company out there would be getting their
>>> customers to use it and making a ton of money from reduced loses.
>>>
>>> You're almost right though in your statement. Let me help you.
>>>>There is a better solution... Sonitrol Pornography... call for a special
>>>>presentation and ejaculate yourself.
>>>
>>> "pyro" <pound.sand@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>> Hey I can expect these kinds of responses. You can't do what Sonitol
>>>> does because your technology is limited and antiquated. I have seen
>>>> multiple complaints that's say ADT installed their system and it did
>>>> not work properly, so they brought in Bay to Monitor and they did not
>>>> work out, so then they brought in Post, same problems. It does not take
>>>> a rocket scientist to figure out that it is  not the  "monitoring
>>>> company" that is at fault, it is the system / technology.
>>>>
>>>> I got a buddy that works for ADT, I know exactly what they say about
>>>> the product. You have to get a competitive edge. A traditional systems
>>>> ONLY advantage is that everyone  (or just about everyone) sell the same
>>>> crap. Therefore the customer has know where to go and eventually
>>>> excepts what they got... OR they switch companies, feel better for a
>>>> while... and the cycle starts again.
>>>>
>>>> Hey all system have failure rates. Nobody is perfect. You say you see
>>>> Sonitrol Systems in abandon buildings, and you also see ADT, Honeywell,
>>>> Bay, Post and a hundred other small and pop shops.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, by the way... who is Robert Bass and why does he or anybody else
>>>> think he is so smart? He sounds like the typical old consultant type
>>>> trying to hang on the only technology he possess and makes every excuse
>>>> in the book for why it dose not work except for the relevant excuse.
>>>> The technology never worked well...ever but is was the only available
>>>> option.
>>>>
>>>> There is a better solution... Sonitrol Security... call for a
>>>> presentation and evaluate for yourself
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:1168453822.760302.160820@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> pyro wrote:
>>>>>> Want to really fix the on going issue??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Drop ADT or any system that is motion detector based. The problem is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> technology not the company. Go wih Sonitrol Security. No motion
>>>>>> detectors
>>>>>> and their system has a variety of other advantages all based on thier
>>>>>> technology.
>>>>>>
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>>>>> You WERE replying on the subject regarding the lowest member of the
>>>>> evolutionary scale .... weren't you?
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