Re: xPLLib License Issue...

["Frank Mc Alinden" <frankmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Mal

> As far as I've seen, the wireless CBus doesn't have a PC interface, so
> that would rule it out for me.

If you have mixed networks ie wired and wireless then a pc interface can be
added to the wired and add a wireless gateway  to the wireless network to
get messages to / from each network.... I have a hardwired cbus switch
controlling a wireless dimmer and appliance module....

Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mal Lansell" <mal@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [ukha_xpl] xPLLib License Issue...


> Your right that it would be much easier to do the upstairs, but I'd
> still have to replace all the wiring to the switches, and it's really
> the downstairs rooms that will need the most automation.
>
> As far as I've seen, the wireless CBus doesn't have a PC interface, so
> that would rule it out for me.  I'm hoping the ZWave stuff will do
what
> I need - if I rehouse the dimmer I should be able to place it behind
the
> ceiling rose, and retain the original switch wiring (although I would
of
> course need a push button switch, same as X10)
>
> Mal
>
> Frank Mc Alinden wrote:
>
>> Hi Mal
>>
>> > I'd love to install CBus, but I can't justify the disruption
and
>> > redecoration to install it.
>>
>> Not possible to hardwire the upstairs with cbus (you can then add
a pc
>> interface) and do downstairs in wireless??...
>> Have now got my wireless cbus modules working ;-))...It really
does
>> help if
>> you read  the instructions......;-)
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mal Lansell" <mal@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ukha_xpl] xPLLib License Issue...
>>
>>
>> > I'd love to install CBus, but I can't justify the disruption
and
>> > redecoration to install it.  I thought the wireless solution
would be
>> > the answer, but there is no PC interface (I know I could
probably open
>> > and hack the remotes, but I may as well use ZWave instead)
>> >
>> > Mal
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Frank Mc Alinden wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks Mal
>> >>
>> >> Has a browse and couldnt find anything regarding Oz style
Zwave plugin
>> >> modules.....
>> >> Might have to have another look at trying to get my CBUS
Wireless
>> gateway
>> >> working ...
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Frank
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Mal Lansell" <mal@xxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 6:21 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [ukha_xpl] xPLLib License Issue...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Frank,
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know about Oz, but there are a lot of
modules coming out
>> in the
>> >> > US, and there are a few in the UK.  I expect the
number to grow over
>> >> > the
>> >> > next couple of years.  The technology is based on an
RF mesh network
>> >> > similar to Zigbee, but whereas Zigbee looks to be
aimed at the
>> >> > commerical/industrial user, ZWave is definitely
aimed at the
>> home.  The
>> >> > price is a bit higher than X10 - £35 per module
compared to £20 for
>> >> > X10,
>> >> > but that still puts it into the budget end of the HA
market IMO.
>> >> >
>> >> > So far in the UK there is are plug-in dimmers and
switches (like the
>> >> > X10
>> >> > lamp and appliance modules, and RF remote (for
programming the
>> modules
>> >> > and for quick scene changes) and a USB PC interface.
 You can see
>> them
>> >> > on LetsAutomate.  That doesn't sound like much, but
the plug-in
>> modules
>> >> > have a button for local control, so it should be
fairly
>> straightforward
>> >> > to break them out and mount the contents in a
suitable box for a
>> >> > "wired"
>> >> > version, with the local control connected to a
momentary wall
>> >> > switch.
>> >> >
>> >> > The remote is supposedly essential for configuring
the network, but
>> >> > I've
>> >> > managed to set up modules using the USB interface
and some quick and
>> >> > dirty c# code ;-).  You definitely don't need the
£130 software that
>> >> > Lets Automate suggests - drivers for their PC
interface can be
>> obtained
>> >> > quite easily.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not going to be allowed to release my code
publically until the
>> >> > ZWave SDK on which it is based is released, and the
SDK key
>> purchase /
>> >> > unlock system is in place, but I will be able to
send the
>> >> > application
>> >> > out privately (when it's a bit more done!) for
testing before then.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> >
>> >> > Mal
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Frank Mc Alinden wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Mal
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I'm currently working on a ZWave connector
for xPL.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This is interesting.....What modules are
currently available to
>> te UK
>> >> >> Market...???....I would like to use some plugin
modules but im
>> >> >> reluctant to
>> >> >> use x10 plugin modules as i currently only have
one and sometimes
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> works
>> >> >> and sometimes it doesnt....Wonder if there are
any Oz versions
>> of the
>> >> >> Zwave
>> >> >> kit available...????
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Frank
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Mal Lansell"
<mal@xxxxxxx>
>> >> >> To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:38 PM
>> >> >> Subject: [ukha_xpl] xPLLib License Issue...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I'm currently working on a ZWave connector
for xPL.  I have some
>> >> ZWave
>> >> >> > devices, and they work really well -
because they are RF there
>> >> are none
>> >> >> > of the delays of X10, and they confirm
their status changes
>> >> (hooray!).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Unfortunately, there is no free SDK for
controlling ZWave via
>> >> their PC
>> >> >> > interfaces.  IMO, this is a huge mistake,
but that's how it is.
>> >> >> > Zensys'
>> >> >> > own ZWave SDK is very expensive, but there
is a company called
>> >> >> > ControlThink that is in the process of
creating a USB
>> interface, and
>> >> >> > that will ship with a usable SDK.  This SDK
will also work with
>> >> >> > other
>> >> >> > ZWave controllers, and licenses will be
available to download and
>> >> >> > use
>> >> >> > the SDK without needing to buy their
hardware.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The SDK is written in .NET, so I would like
to use the .NET
>> xPLLib
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > handle the xPL side of things, and here is
where I run into the
>> >> >> > problem.  xPLLib is released under the GPL
license, and as far as
>> >> I can
>> >> >> > tell, that is incompatible with the ZWave
SDK license (which
>> >> >> > requires
>> >> >> > the purchase of the SDK and therefore
prevents me releasing the
>> >> >> > connector software as freeware).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Is there a way round this?  Have I
misunderstood the GPL
>> >> license?  Or
>> >> >> > am
>> >> >> > I going to have to not use the xPLLib -
which would seriously
>> >> impede my
>> >> >> > ability to release this useful connector
service?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Regards
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mal
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
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