RE: Re: Lighting Options ....

["Paul Gale" <groups2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I found the Aux input modules to be more cost effective in my setup
than using the couplers. I have about 12 switches that work in this way,
using the old switch wires that went back to the X10 units.

Paul.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Paul Gordon
> Sent: 16 January 2008 13:04
> To: UKHA Group
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: Lighting Options ....
>
> I Was going to suggest much the same thing...
>
> With X10 DIN rail kit, it's fairly likely to be star wired to the
> loads,
> which would be just the right arrangement for CBUS to use. So the
mains
> parts ought to be able to just drop into the place of the X10 units
> fairly simply.
>
> The main difference is of course, the switch... the X10 DIN modules
use
> 240V mains from the dimmer to the momentary switch. Therefore you
> *might
> not* have the required CAT5 cable at the switch position.
>
> Here's an unsupported, - but quite likely to work solution... - use a
> CBUS bus coupler in the backbox behind the switch, connected to the
> momentary switches, and then make use of the redundant length of mains
> T&E to connect it to the CBUS network, instead of proper CAT5.
This is
> completely unsupported of course, but anecdotal evidence indicates
that
> the CBUS network is so reliable & resilient, that it would
probably
> work
> over a piece of wet string if it had to... I believe there are people
> here who have actually run CBUS over mains T&E instead of CAT5
(Phil?)
> -
> got to at least be worth a try on the bench if the lack of CAT5 to the
> switch would otherwise be the stumbling block for your installation.
>
> Of course, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T MIX MAINS & CBUS!! - Expensive
things
> will likely go BANG! If you do.. - if you try this, double check, then
> triple-check your wiring, and don't come crying if you get it wrong..
>
> :-)
>
> Paul G.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of paul_watkin
> > Sent: 16 January 2008 12:31
> > To: UKHA Group
> > Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Lighting Options ....
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > I am not 100% familiar with X10 having gone down the CBUS route
from
> > the outset but if I understand you correctly you already have the
X10
> > dimmers etc DIN mounted in the electrical cabinets and I am
assuming
> > each output goes to the specific load under control.
> >
> > If that is the case could you not swap the X10 Dimmers for CBUS
> > versions and then use a combination of CBUS Wireless (for areas
of
> > the house that would be difficult to run cat5 to), Bus couplers
> > (allow the use of conventional momentary switches to control CBUS
> > loads) and hard wired CBUS in order to minimise the ammount of
> > retrofit needed.
> >
> > Admittedley this approach may be more costly than an out and out
> > Wired installation but would give lower installation hassle
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, "Paul Gale" <groups2@...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Richard,
> > >
> > > I did indeed replace the X10 with CBus - but it wasn't a
simple
> > job. When I installed the X10 system, we did a retro-install and
> > changed a lot of the house wiring. We had to modify a fair bit of
> > this to accommodate the new CBus install. Running Cat5/CBus cable
> > could also be an issue - we used a mix of existing Cat5 (that I'd
> > previously run to some light switches and also a lot of new pink
CBus
> > cable. So unfortunately, it's not a simple swap X10 for CBus
install
> :
> > (
> > >
> > > Ben here on the list did the work for me - took about 5 x 12
hr
> > days to do it. The system is not yet fully complete - the loft
> > conversion will also be added in shortly - this has 2 x high wire
LV
> > systems, bathroom LV lights, 6 x 5A dedicated lighting sockets
and 3
> > x sets of RGB LED stainless steel floor marker lights
(controllable
> > via DMX).
> > >
> > > HTH a bit?
> > >
> > > Paul.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf
> > > > Of rb_ziggy
> > > > Sent: 15 January 2008 23:45
> > > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Lighting Options ....
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > Did you replace the X10 with CBus?  I've an X10 based
system
> > using DIN
> > > >  modules with momentary wall switches and was wondering
if its
> > > > possible to switch to X10 without massive rewiring
(i.e.
> hopefully
> > > > switch out the X10 modules for CBus ones in the
cabinets.
> > > >
> > > > I'd be interested in your experiences.
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > --- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, "Paul Gale"
<groups2@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have CBus here too now (for the last 3-4 months)
- reasonably
> > big
> > > > install (although not quite on the Wembley scale!) as
it does
> > every
> > > > light in the house plus bedside lamps, fans etc etc.
Also VERY
> > good
> > > > for automation if you want to go down that route - I
have mine
> > talking
> > > > to HomeVision HA controller and xAP protocol via one of
Kevin
> > Hawkins'
> > > > EXCELLENT CBus/xAP/HV gateways :)
> > > > >
> > > > > I used to have a whole house X10 system using
AD10's and LD11's
> > but
> > > > decided to replace it with CBus as the X10 was a bit
unreliable
> at
> > > > times.
> > > > >
> > > > > CBUS = HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
> > On
> > > > Behalf
> > > > > > Of Rob Mouser
> > > > > > Sent: 14 January 2008 09:42
> > > > > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Lighting Options ....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have to echo the comments on C-bus. We have
two houses with
> > C-
> > > > bus.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > oldest install is now more than 5 years old
and has NEVER
> > missed a
> > > > > > beat.
> > > > > > Its simple enough to install and configure
yourself (provided
> > your
> > > > > > competent with electrics and of course Part P
bla bla bla)
> > and is
> > > > rock
> > > > > > solid.
> > > > > > Also once you've had the benefit of PIR,
Light Level sensors
> > etc
> > > > and
> > > > > > also scene's you'll never quite bring
yourself to use a
> rocker
> > > > switch
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > rotary dimmer <shudder> :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rob
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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