Re: My UN-automated Home :-(

["Mark McCall" <mark@xxxxxxx>]

Thanks for the offer Tim.

I will keep an eye on them over the next week or two to see how they fair
on
the battery check.  The probalem would be if we have another power cut in
the middle of the night and they only last a short while - then the siren
will start!

M.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Morris" <timothy.morris@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(


> What sort of batteries are they?
>
> With the right sort of charger you can recover Sealed Lead Acid
batteries
> (which is what most burglar alarms use) from a deep discharge. I use
one
for
> the electric starter for my model helicopter, and I do have the right
> charger. I'd be happy to recharge them for you, but the cost of the
postage
> would be crippling, and it would take around 3 days to do.
>
> Tim.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark McCall [mailto:mark@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 28 February 2001 16:03
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> >
> >
> > About 20 quid a pop according to Andy.
> >
> > M.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <andy.powell@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> >
> >
> > Sounds like you need to put Comfort on a UPS - How much are the
> > batteries??
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mark McCall" <mark@xxxxxxx>
> > 28/02/2001 15:40
> > Please respond to ukha_d
> >
> >
> >         To:     <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> >         cc:
> >         Subject:        Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> >
> > BTW - power was restored this morning at 10:00am (29 hours in
total).
> >
> > I believe we MAY be in line for 50 quid compensation but thats
pretty
> > crap.  Especially when we've probably lost the contents of our
freezer,
> > plus Andy tells me I'm going to have to replace the 3 batteries
in my
> > Comfort system as they don't recover from being run right down.
> >
> > :-(
> >
> > M.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mark McCall
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> >
> > We have an oil fired range in the kitchen so at least there's
some heat
in
> > there and you can cook/boil a kettle etc.  It also provides hot
water.
> >
> > M.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mike Griffiths
> > To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:49 AM
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> >
> > Apparently you can also toast bread on a burning fuel tank as
well, it
> > works, but how many slices would you get to eat.
> >
> > Mike Griffiths
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phil Harris [mailto:phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wed 28 February 2001 11:41
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> >
> > Not that I'm recommending this as a course of action or even
saying that
> > it's safe or legal but a friend of mine when I was at university
lived
in
> > an
> > area that was always suffering power cuts. They had several small
UPS to
> > stop the heating dying on a power out and keep stuff like the VCR
and
> > mains
> > powered clocks / lamps alive and which betwen then would give
them
enough
> > time to get the gennie up.
> >
> > They had a little Honda which was rated at (about) 3Kw and they
would
> > connect it to the mains supply of their house by a cable which
had 13amp
> > mains plugs on both ends. To avoid powering outside the house
then they
> > would pull the main fuses from the incoming mains to the
distribution
box.
> >
> > It worked...
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Keith Doxey [mailto:ukha.diyha@xxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 28 February 2001 11:31
> > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> > >
> > >
> > > When Mark wired the house I believe he had a separate
> > > consumer unit for
> > > "essential" services wired via a changeover switch
with a
> > > socket to plug the
> > > generator in. He  just neglected to get the gennie!!
> > >
> > > If anyone is considering fitting a generator, A CHANGEOVER
SWITCH IS
> > > ESSENTIAL.
> > > You cannot simple connect the generator to your mains supply
> > > for a number of
> > > reasons.
> > >
> > > 1. Your self generated electricity will feed out of the
house.
> > > At best - you will light up your neighbours houses.
> > > Slightly worse - your generator will be overloaded and
> > > possibly blow up.
> > > Worst Case - YOU WILL KILL THE ELECTRICITY BOARD ENGINEER
WHO
> > > IS TRYING TO
> > > RESTORE POWER
> > >
> > > 2. There will be an enormous bang and lots of smoke from
your
> > > generator when
> > > the mains is restored.
> > >
> > > PLEASE CONSULT A QUALIFIED ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR IF YOU WANT
> > > A GENERATOR
> > > HOOKUP.
> > >
> > > Sorry for the shouting but this is Life Threatening stuff
and
> > > should not be
> > > taken lightly.
> > >
> > > Even BT dont try to run everything in a building despite
> > > having huge engine
> > > sets in the power rooms. Stuff like electric heating and
cooking is
> > > disabled. Some of the lights are also not operational. If
you
> > > have gas or
> > > oil central heating you only need a small amount of
> > > electricity to drive the
> > > boiler and pump etc.
> > >
> > > If you want to run EVERYTHING you are talking serious money
> > > in the 10K+
> > > range. Even Autostart does not come cheap as you not only
> > > have to start the
> > > generator, you also have to have contactor controlled
changeover and
> > > restoration of power.
> > >
> > > Be safe
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: andy.powell@xxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:andy.powell@xxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 28 February 2001 10:28
> > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> > >
> > >
> > > Is that  his car or generator?? ;-)
> > >
> > > It really depends upon the size of the house and
> > > consequentially the load.A
> > >  n 'average' sized house with all it's 'stuff' going is
> > > probably going ton
> > >  eed about a a 20kw generator ...smaller houses can probably
> > > get away witha
> > >   8kw unit.....
> > >
> > > Like I said it depends upon how much electricity you are
> > > using - normal
> > > procedure would be that the installer would monitor your
> > > supply for a weeko
> > >  r so to get an average power figure, and of course peak
requirement -
> > > i.e. everything is turned off, and then turned on again to
> > > see the peak
> > > requirement...
> > >
> > >
> > > If you use a genset (Generator and UPS) there should be no
> > > need for the
> > > surge supressor - if there is then the installation is
> > > faulty. The idea
> > > behind the genset is that there is *no* difference in the
> > > supply at all.
> > >
> > > If you are just running a generator then you could (as
> > > someone's already
> > > commented - seriously or not) just buy small UPS(s) for the
> > > PCs - which
> > > are more likely to notice any power fluctuations - it/they
> > > wouldn't have
> > > to be that expensive/big - just enough to keep the PC's
> > > running for a fewm
> > >  inutes while your generator got up to speed. You don't have
to worry
> > > about the lighting on a ups if you don't want to  - but I'm
thinking
> > > 'ideal'  situation here.. Personally I'd love to have a
genset for my
> > > house (just to see the look on the nieghbours faces when
they
> > > are in the
> > > dark and we're still watching TV ;-)  ) bu it can get into
> > > silly money...o
> > >  f course when I will the lottery and build my own place it
will be a
> > > standard feature.... with a secondary fuel tank to keep it
going for
> > > around a week... but then I've got more chance of
> > > spontaneously combustingt
> > >  han winning the lottery!
> > >
> > > A.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mark McCall" <mark@xxxxxxx>
> > > 28/02/2001 10:55
> > > Please respond to ukha_d
> > >
> > >
> > >         To:     <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > >         cc:
> > >         Subject:        Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home
:-(
> > >
> > > >Are you sure that a £350 generator is going to be able
to
> > > supply enoughj
> > > > uice to you house??? or are you just thinking of
emergency lighting?
> > >
> > > My father-in-law has a Honda at that price.  A 2.2 or 2.3 Kv
> > > or something
> > > like that??
> > >
> > > It was running his lights, heating, fridge/freezer, even a
microwave.
> > > That's all I need really (and one PC).  I presume running a
PC off a
> > > generator I should use some sort of surge suppressor or
something??
> > >
> > > M.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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