Re: My UN-automated Home :-(

["Alan Cockerton" <alancc@xxxxxxx>]

All the systems we install will recharge from a full discharge, I don't
have
a copy of BS4737 at home but I am sure that it requires full charge to be
established within 24 hours.

What size batteries are they? 20 quid seems a bit steep.

Alancc.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark McCall" <mark@xxxxxxx>
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(


> Thanks for the offer Tim.
>
> I will keep an eye on them over the next week or two to see how they
fair
on
> the battery check.  The probalem would be if we have another power cut
in
> the middle of the night and they only last a short while - then the
siren
> will start!
>
> M.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy Morris" <timothy.morris@xxxxxxx>
> To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:15 PM
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
>
>
> > What sort of batteries are they?
> >
> > With the right sort of charger you can recover Sealed Lead Acid
batteries
> > (which is what most burglar alarms use) from a deep discharge. I
use one
> for
> > the electric starter for my model helicopter, and I do have the
right
> > charger. I'd be happy to recharge them for you, but the cost of
the
> postage
> > would be crippling, and it would take around 3 days to do.
> >
> > Tim.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mark McCall [mailto:mark@xxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 28 February 2001 16:03
> > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> > >
> > >
> > > About 20 quid a pop according to Andy.
> > >
> > > M.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <andy.powell@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> > >
> > >
> > > Sounds like you need to put Comfort on a UPS - How much are
the
> > > batteries??
> > >
> > > A.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mark McCall" <mark@xxxxxxx>
> > > 28/02/2001 15:40
> > > Please respond to ukha_d
> > >
> > >
> > >         To:     <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > >         cc:
> > >         Subject:        Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home
:-(
> > >
> > > BTW - power was restored this morning at 10:00am (29 hours
in total).
> > >
> > > I believe we MAY be in line for 50 quid compensation but
thats pretty
> > > crap.  Especially when we've probably lost the contents of
our
freezer,
> > > plus Andy tells me I'm going to have to replace the 3
batteries in my
> > > Comfort system as they don't recover from being run right
down.
> > >
> > > :-(
> > >
> > > M.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Mark McCall
> > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:34 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> > >
> > > We have an oil fired range in the kitchen so at least
there's some
heat
> in
> > > there and you can cook/boil a kettle etc.  It also provides
hot water.
> > >
> > > M.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Mike Griffiths
> > > To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:49 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> > >
> > > Apparently you can also toast bread on a burning fuel tank
as well, it
> > > works, but how many slices would you get to eat.
> > >
> > > Mike Griffiths
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Phil Harris [mailto:phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wed 28 February 2001 11:41
> > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> > >
> > > Not that I'm recommending this as a course of action or even
saying
that
> > > it's safe or legal but a friend of mine when I was at
university lived
> in
> > > an
> > > area that was always suffering power cuts. They had several
small UPS
to
> > > stop the heating dying on a power out and keep stuff like
the VCR and
> > > mains
> > > powered clocks / lamps alive and which betwen then would
give them
> enough
> > > time to get the gennie up.
> > >
> > > They had a little Honda which was rated at (about) 3Kw and
they would
> > > connect it to the mains supply of their house by a cable
which had
13amp
> > > mains plugs on both ends. To avoid powering outside the
house then
they
> > > would pull the main fuses from the incoming mains to the
distribution
> box.
> > >
> > > It worked...
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Keith Doxey [mailto:ukha.diyha@xxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: 28 February 2001 11:31
> > > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When Mark wired the house I believe he had a separate
> > > > consumer unit for
> > > > "essential" services wired via a changeover
switch with a
> > > > socket to plug the
> > > > generator in. He  just neglected to get the gennie!!
> > > >
> > > > If anyone is considering fitting a generator, A
CHANGEOVER SWITCH IS
> > > > ESSENTIAL.
> > > > You cannot simple connect the generator to your mains
supply
> > > > for a number of
> > > > reasons.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Your self generated electricity will feed out of the
house.
> > > > At best - you will light up your neighbours houses.
> > > > Slightly worse - your generator will be overloaded and
> > > > possibly blow up.
> > > > Worst Case - YOU WILL KILL THE ELECTRICITY BOARD
ENGINEER WHO
> > > > IS TRYING TO
> > > > RESTORE POWER
> > > >
> > > > 2. There will be an enormous bang and lots of smoke
from your
> > > > generator when
> > > > the mains is restored.
> > > >
> > > > PLEASE CONSULT A QUALIFIED ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR IF YOU
WANT
> > > > A GENERATOR
> > > > HOOKUP.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for the shouting but this is Life Threatening
stuff and
> > > > should not be
> > > > taken lightly.
> > > >
> > > > Even BT dont try to run everything in a building
despite
> > > > having huge engine
> > > > sets in the power rooms. Stuff like electric heating
and cooking is
> > > > disabled. Some of the lights are also not operational.
If you
> > > > have gas or
> > > > oil central heating you only need a small amount of
> > > > electricity to drive the
> > > > boiler and pump etc.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to run EVERYTHING you are talking serious
money
> > > > in the 10K+
> > > > range. Even Autostart does not come cheap as you not
only
> > > > have to start the
> > > > generator, you also have to have contactor controlled
changeover and
> > > > restoration of power.
> > > >
> > > > Be safe
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: andy.powell@xxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:andy.powell@xxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: 28 February 2001 10:28
> > > > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is that  his car or generator?? ;-)
> > > >
> > > > It really depends upon the size of the house and
> > > > consequentially the load.A
> > > >  n 'average' sized house with all it's 'stuff' going is
> > > > probably going ton
> > > >  eed about a a 20kw generator ...smaller houses can
probably
> > > > get away witha
> > > >   8kw unit.....
> > > >
> > > > Like I said it depends upon how much electricity you
are
> > > > using - normal
> > > > procedure would be that the installer would monitor
your
> > > > supply for a weeko
> > > >  r so to get an average power figure, and of course
peak
requirement -
> > > > i.e. everything is turned off, and then turned on again
to
> > > > see the peak
> > > > requirement...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you use a genset (Generator and UPS) there should be
no
> > > > need for the
> > > > surge supressor - if there is then the installation is
> > > > faulty. The idea
> > > > behind the genset is that there is *no* difference in
the
> > > > supply at all.
> > > >
> > > > If you are just running a generator then you could (as
> > > > someone's already
> > > > commented - seriously or not) just buy small UPS(s) for
the
> > > > PCs - which
> > > > are more likely to notice any power fluctuations -
it/they
> > > > wouldn't have
> > > > to be that expensive/big - just enough to keep the PC's
> > > > running for a fewm
> > > >  inutes while your generator got up to speed. You don't
have to
worry
> > > > about the lighting on a ups if you don't want to  - but
I'm thinking
> > > > 'ideal'  situation here.. Personally I'd love to have a
genset for
my
> > > > house (just to see the look on the nieghbours faces
when they
> > > > are in the
> > > > dark and we're still watching TV ;-)  ) bu it can get
into
> > > > silly money...o
> > > >  f course when I will the lottery and build my own
place it will be
a
> > > > standard feature.... with a secondary fuel tank to keep
it going for
> > > > around a week... but then I've got more chance of
> > > > spontaneously combustingt
> > > >  han winning the lottery!
> > > >
> > > > A.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mark McCall" <mark@xxxxxxx>
> > > > 28/02/2001 10:55
> > > > Please respond to ukha_d
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         To:     <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> > > >         cc:
> > > >         Subject:        Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated
Home :-(
> > > >
> > > > >Are you sure that a £350 generator is going to be
able to
> > > > supply enoughj
> > > > > uice to you house??? or are you just thinking of
emergency
lighting?
> > > >
> > > > My father-in-law has a Honda at that price.  A 2.2 or
2.3 Kv
> > > > or something
> > > > like that??
> > > >
> > > > It was running his lights, heating, fridge/freezer,
even a
microwave.
> > > > That's all I need really (and one PC).  I presume
running a PC off a
> > > > generator I should use some sort of surge suppressor or
something??
> > > >
> > > > M.
> > > >
> > > >
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