RE: My UN-automated Home :-(

["Timothy Morris" <timothy.morris@xxxxxxx>]

What sort of batteries are they?

With the right sort of charger you can recover Sealed Lead Acid batteries
(which is what most burglar alarms use) from a deep discharge. I use one
for
the electric starter for my model helicopter, and I do have the right
charger. I'd be happy to recharge them for you, but the cost of the postage
would be crippling, and it would take around 3 days to do.

Tim.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark McCall [mailto:mark@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: 28 February 2001 16:03
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
>
>
> About 20 quid a pop according to Andy.
>
> M.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <andy.powell@xxxxxxx>
> To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
>
>
> Sounds like you need to put Comfort on a UPS - How much are the
> batteries??
>
> A.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mark McCall" <mark@xxxxxxx>
> 28/02/2001 15:40
> Please respond to ukha_d
>
>
>         To:     <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
>         cc:
>         Subject:        Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
>
> BTW - power was restored this morning at 10:00am (29 hours in total).
>
> I believe we MAY be in line for 50 quid compensation but thats pretty
> crap.  Especially when we've probably lost the contents of our
freezer,
> plus Andy tells me I'm going to have to replace the 3 batteries in my
> Comfort system as they don't recover from being run right down.
>
> :-(
>
> M.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark McCall
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
>
> We have an oil fired range in the kitchen so at least there's some
heat in
> there and you can cook/boil a kettle etc.  It also provides hot water.
>
> M.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Griffiths
> To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:49 AM
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
>
> Apparently you can also toast bread on a burning fuel tank as well, it
> works, but how many slices would you get to eat.
>
> Mike Griffiths
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Harris [mailto:phillip.harris1@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wed 28 February 2001 11:41
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
>
> Not that I'm recommending this as a course of action or even saying
that
> it's safe or legal but a friend of mine when I was at university lived
in
> an
> area that was always suffering power cuts. They had several small UPS
to
> stop the heating dying on a power out and keep stuff like the VCR and
> mains
> powered clocks / lamps alive and which betwen then would give them
enough
> time to get the gennie up.
>
> They had a little Honda which was rated at (about) 3Kw and they would
> connect it to the mains supply of their house by a cable which had
13amp
> mains plugs on both ends. To avoid powering outside the house then
they
> would pull the main fuses from the incoming mains to the distribution
box.
>
> It worked...
>
> Phil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Keith Doxey [mailto:ukha.diyha@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 28 February 2001 11:31
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> >
> >
> > When Mark wired the house I believe he had a separate
> > consumer unit for
> > "essential" services wired via a changeover switch with
a
> > socket to plug the
> > generator in. He  just neglected to get the gennie!!
> >
> > If anyone is considering fitting a generator, A CHANGEOVER SWITCH
IS
> > ESSENTIAL.
> > You cannot simple connect the generator to your mains supply
> > for a number of
> > reasons.
> >
> > 1. Your self generated electricity will feed out of the house.
> > At best - you will light up your neighbours houses.
> > Slightly worse - your generator will be overloaded and
> > possibly blow up.
> > Worst Case - YOU WILL KILL THE ELECTRICITY BOARD ENGINEER WHO
> > IS TRYING TO
> > RESTORE POWER
> >
> > 2. There will be an enormous bang and lots of smoke from your
> > generator when
> > the mains is restored.
> >
> > PLEASE CONSULT A QUALIFIED ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR IF YOU WANT
> > A GENERATOR
> > HOOKUP.
> >
> > Sorry for the shouting but this is Life Threatening stuff and
> > should not be
> > taken lightly.
> >
> > Even BT dont try to run everything in a building despite
> > having huge engine
> > sets in the power rooms. Stuff like electric heating and cooking
is
> > disabled. Some of the lights are also not operational. If you
> > have gas or
> > oil central heating you only need a small amount of
> > electricity to drive the
> > boiler and pump etc.
> >
> > If you want to run EVERYTHING you are talking serious money
> > in the 10K+
> > range. Even Autostart does not come cheap as you not only
> > have to start the
> > generator, you also have to have contactor controlled changeover
and
> > restoration of power.
> >
> > Be safe
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: andy.powell@xxxxxxx
> > [mailto:andy.powell@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 28 February 2001 10:28
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> >
> >
> > Is that  his car or generator?? ;-)
> >
> > It really depends upon the size of the house and
> > consequentially the load.A
> >  n 'average' sized house with all it's 'stuff' going is
> > probably going ton
> >  eed about a a 20kw generator ...smaller houses can probably
> > get away witha
> >   8kw unit.....
> >
> > Like I said it depends upon how much electricity you are
> > using - normal
> > procedure would be that the installer would monitor your
> > supply for a weeko
> >  r so to get an average power figure, and of course peak
requirement -
> > i.e. everything is turned off, and then turned on again to
> > see the peak
> > requirement...
> >
> >
> > If you use a genset (Generator and UPS) there should be no
> > need for the
> > surge supressor - if there is then the installation is
> > faulty. The idea
> > behind the genset is that there is *no* difference in the
> > supply at all.
> >
> > If you are just running a generator then you could (as
> > someone's already
> > commented - seriously or not) just buy small UPS(s) for the
> > PCs - which
> > are more likely to notice any power fluctuations - it/they
> > wouldn't have
> > to be that expensive/big - just enough to keep the PC's
> > running for a fewm
> >  inutes while your generator got up to speed. You don't have to
worry
> > about the lighting on a ups if you don't want to  - but I'm
thinking
> > 'ideal'  situation here.. Personally I'd love to have a genset
for my
> > house (just to see the look on the nieghbours faces when they
> > are in the
> > dark and we're still watching TV ;-)  ) bu it can get into
> > silly money...o
> >  f course when I will the lottery and build my own place it will
be a
> > standard feature.... with a secondary fuel tank to keep it going
for
> > around a week... but then I've got more chance of
> > spontaneously combustingt
> >  han winning the lottery!
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mark McCall" <mark@xxxxxxx>
> > 28/02/2001 10:55
> > Please respond to ukha_d
> >
> >
> >         To:     <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
> >         cc:
> >         Subject:        Re: [ukha_d] My UN-automated Home :-(
> >
> > >Are you sure that a £350 generator is going to be able to
> > supply enoughj
> > > uice to you house??? or are you just thinking of emergency
lighting?
> >
> > My father-in-law has a Honda at that price.  A 2.2 or 2.3 Kv
> > or something
> > like that??
> >
> > It was running his lights, heating, fridge/freezer, even a
microwave.
> > That's all I need really (and one PC).  I presume running a PC
off a
> > generator I should use some sort of surge suppressor or
something??
> >
> > M.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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