Re: Stupid home non-automation product

["Robert L Bass" <no-sales-spam@bassburglaralarms>]

Glad you mentioned the ELK-M1G which provides analog as well as binary (on/off) inputs.  Any or all of the ELK's inputs can be set
up as analog.  What it lacks (along with most other controllers on the market) is the ability to archive and compare current state
to past conditions.

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Robert L Bass

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"Marc_F_Hult" <MFHult@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:ejftu2dgcmhtu3lqlepuklal72ea0kaelh@xxxxxxxxxx
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:50:58 -0600, "B Fuhrmann"
> <b-fuhrmann-usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> <12ut9p4a9et0r71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
>>I just received an e-mail from Eaton Electronics about their new "home
> awareness" equipment.  The term "home awareness" caught my eye.  It appears
> that someone feels that automation is not needed, just being able to check
> on sensors by remote control.
>>
>>The system are a few types of sensors (entry, power use, water leak) via a
> pendant receiver that you can carry around your house or via text messages
> with a cell phone.
>>
>>The only people I can see this being useful for is someone who gets their
> kicks out of being an "early adopter" of anything, no matter if it has a
> use.
>>
>>The equipment is using ZigBee for internal communications but it uses a
> phone line to send the alerts to a central office for output as text
> messages to your cell phone and you have to pay for the service.
>>
>>Sounds like a way to spend money on uselessness.
>>
>>"As an early adopter of home awareness technology, you're among the first
> to be alerted of the arrival of Home Heartbeat by Eaton. The wireless home
> awareness system is now available at special introductory prices on
> www.HomeHeartbeat.com "
>
> Seems, to me, to be yet another example of the stagnation of intelligent
> computing in home automation.  Most activity in typical HA systems is based
> on events and triggers (binary Yes/No data) to which (mostly) Boolean logic
> is applied to arrive at binary outcomes (ON/OFF, Alarm/NoAlarm)
>
> Typically, the messiness of the real, analog world is rearranged and
> cleaned up to simple Yes/No OK/NotOK 0/1 conditions before or shortly after
> the data gets to (eg) a home automation controller. This leaves the
> controller with only the simple task of comparing states with rules to
> create actions.
>
> For example, what HA controller or HA PC application actually logs analog
> input data and uses past conditions in a rich way to determine future
> actions?  (I can't think of any off hand). Until recently (and specifically
> the advent of the Elk M1G), dedicated HA panels such as OMNI Pro didn't
> have _any_ analog inputs; all input was converted to binary outcomes before
> arriving presentation to the controller.
>
> Some HA controllers (ADI ocelot, Elk MM443) can/could read analog input and
> perform mathematical operations on the numerical values, but are/were still
> appallingly stupid with respect to archiving the data or performing
> anything but the simplest statistical analysis.
>
> The www.HomeHeartbeat.com Home Hearbeat system Bill cites doesn't even try
> to act on the data, relying instead on the home owners' intelligence to act
> on the data (hardly "useless", but not very advanced).
>
> Artificial Intelligence  (AI) :  Where art thou 50 years after you were
> given a name (1956) and a language (LISP in 1958)?
>
>
> www.neuralhome.org
> www.neuralhome.com
> www.neuralhome.net
> www.neuralhome.info
>
> ... Marc
> Marc_F_Hult
> www.EControl.org