Re: New Question

[Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>]

On 5/8/2022 11:42 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
> On 5/8/2022 1:59 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 5/8/2022 6:41 AM, ABLE1 wrote:
>>> On 5/7/2022 11:38 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 10:08:48 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
>>>>> Hey Guys!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone ever use a IEI MiniMax3 Access Control??
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that it has been discontinued but have been told that Nortek
>>>>> has
>>>>> 70 units on the shelf. For this project it may be the best fit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am considering the SEG-1 as a way to connect a computer with
>>>>> software
>>>>> to program in the Cards or Fobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Main question is the software set up have any challenges, if you
>>>>> know??
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and have a good day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>> Sorry Les, can't help with access control.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the look!!
>>>
>>> Have a good week!!
>>>
>>> Les
>>
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> I used some Corby and IEI early on, but towards the end I was using
>> Napco P9600 and X255 for most of my access control work.  Mostly X255.
>>
>> I did install a couple Silent Knight access 2000 controls, but later
>> changed them both out for X255 controls.  There is just something to
>> be said for a PC based control interface for the customer to manage
>> users. Â Â Almost like really big guy access systems, but not quite as
>> expensive. Â Â My only big gripe about the Napco systems was it seemed
>> like I had to replace the network interface modules every few years.
>> I tried them both with and without their protection module.  It was
>> often enough that the customers would notice it was a failure item.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks Bob,
>
> The current customer has been using a HUBMAX II with just a keypad for
> card entry.  Every time he would enter a card he would use the backdoor
> push button to enter programming and when through the procedure that
> stopped working.  He had no idea what the card numbers were or how to
> delete.
>
> I figured out the process and had him enter a Master Code for proper
> usage.  He now says that it takes a good 10 seconds to get a new card
> to read in the system.  I think (because of age) that there are some
> parts that are starting to fail.
>
> When I mentioned that having a PC connected to a new system he cringed
> like he was very uncomfortable with that thought!!!
>
> The MiniMax 3 will work as the old but can also have a network interface
> that can use software.  One of the challenges is that the system is
> out-dated and is to work on WIN98, 2000 & XP, maybe WIN7 maybe WIN10.
>
> That is where I am stumped!!!  Which is why I am reaching out to try
> and find someone with some hands-on knowledge.  Not going to be easy!!!
>
> Later,
>
> Les


A demo may be in order.  See what it looks like on your laptop first if
you can.  Some of the old software was actually harder to use than at
the unit requiring both PC based data entry and manual
reading/programming at the unit.  Some is easy allowing you to enter
names, alarm codes, and cards without getting up from your desk.

Displaying activity reports with names, dates, times, and locations is
pretty useful to certain levels of management.  Others will just
complain that they really should delete all codes/cards and start over.
  Of course there is the benefit that if they need to terminate somebody
they can turn off their card from their desk, and make them come in the
front retail/public entrance if/when they arrive.

Not knowing the nature of the business I don't know what flow will be
best, but I've been onsite when somebody found out they were terminated.
  Reception escorted them to the manager's office, and security escorted
them to their former office to retrieve their personal items.

I've also seen places incorporate access control that really had no use
for it.  I think they just wanted to "look" high tech, but really would
have been better suited to just issue a few old fashion brass keys, and
a quick change lock cylinder system instead.  In fact I've seen large
organizations with hundreds of buildings on 20 different campuses
managed that way very well.  One person loses the key to their office
and they swap the cylinder and issue them a new key.  A custodian loses
a master key and entire campus is rekeyed in a day.  If they are not
going to have activity logging and real access management there is no
point in spending the money.  Of course neither really does much if
somebody doesn't take the responsibility to manage it.

I can't count the times I was told, "Joe Schblotnik is the personnel
manager.  He will be managing the system," and when I met with Joe
everything I tried to teach was met with scrunchy face.  Downright
verbal protest when I mention any kind of record keeping.

It sounds like the guy you are dealing with may be like Mr Schblotnik.
If you want him to change you need to show him its both better AND
EASIER in the long run.  You also better be right.  If its not easier
and you convince him to change your best hope is for him to *** leave
the position and for a more tech savvy and gungho manager to take his
place.

*** I started to say "leave the company," but that's not always the
case.  One medium to large international ag research company I dealt
with would rotate people through their office manager position every
couple years.  Some were sharp and quick, and others were just hard
asses.  I think it was part of their ongoing training for senior
managers.  I had the fun of training a new person how to manage their
system every couple years.  An existing system with multiple buildings
and a couple thousand users on site.


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