Re: SooooOOOOOOOOOO ?

[Jim Davis <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Monday, May 31, 2021 at 3:16:50 AM UTC-4, mleuck wrote:
> On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 11:12:30 AM UTC-5, alar...@xxxxxxx wrote:=20
> > On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:18:09 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> > > On 5/27/2021 8:36 PM, Jim Davis wrote:=20
> > > > On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:11:21 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> > > >> On 5/26/2021 3:56 PM, RTS wrote:=20
> > > >>> On 5/26/2021 12:17 PM, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> > > >>>> On 5/26/2021 12:48 PM, Jim Davis wrote:=20
> > > >>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:48:49 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> > > >>>>>> On 5/25/2021 6:45 PM, Jim Davis wrote:=20
> > > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:17:40 AM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:=20
> > > >>>>>>>> On 5/24/2021 7:41 PM, Jim Davis wrote:=20
> > > >>>>>>>>> Les,=20
> > > >>>>>>>>> I never looked into either the 2GIG or Alarm dot Com produc=
ts or=20
> > > >>>>>>>>> services. I don't have the feintest idea of what either of =
them=20
> > > >>>>>>>>> do. At this stage of my life, It's probably my inherant rej=
ection=20
> > > >>>>>>>>> of having to learn how to program a new panel. Especially s=
ince=20
> > > >>>>>>>>> I've been installing only Napco panels for over 40 years. I=
 don't=20
> > > >>>>>>>>> mind learning a new product like Ubiquity, or Starlink etc,=
 - - -=20
> > > >>>>>>>>> - - - - But a new panel ?=20
> > > >>>>>>>>> I don't know why but - - - - Oooogie !=20
> > > >>>>>>>>> .=20
> > > >>>>>>>>> Also, what method did you use to travel the 350 feet with t=
he=20
> > > >>>>>>>>> network?=20
> > > >>>>>>>> As for 2GIG GC2e panel. It has a lot of capabilities. The=20
> > > >>>>>>>> documentation for this panel sucks, as most do these days.=
=20
> > > >>>>>>>> The system allows voice notices for a zone being opened.=20
> > > >>>>>>>> Such as "Front Door Open". On of the zones on this new=20
> > > >>>>>>>> install is "Interior Garage Door". You don't type in the nam=
es=20
> > > >>>>>>>> you have to choose from a list that is provided in the docs.=
=20
> > > >>>>>>>> There are maybe 286 different words and or phrases that are=
=20
> > > >>>>>>>> available.=20
> > > >>>>>>>> The unit has a touch screen and when you are at the location=
 to=20
> > > >>>>>>>> program=20
> > > >>>>>>>> the zone names the first is shown as "abort" and you can typ=
e in the=20
> > > >>>>>>>> word number to enter the first word. So I look at the list o=
f=20
> > > >>>>>>>> words and=20
> > > >>>>>>>> go to the "G's" - the first G is "Game" it is number 100 on =
the list.=20
> > > >>>>>>>> The next is "Garbage" it is number 101. Looking at the rest =
of the=20
> > > >>>>>>>> list=20
> > > >>>>>>>> there is no "Garage". I am thinking that's odd. So I find th=
e the=20
> > > >>>>>>>> docs say that it is for Firmware v1.31. I check the panel it=
 is=20
> > > >>>>>>>> v1.32.=20
> > > >>>>>>>> hmmmmmmm so I look on line and the docs that I have is all t=
hat are=20
> > > >>>>>>>> available. ??????? I then think maybe the panel has a Garage=
 in place=20
> > > >>>>>>>> but I don't know the number. So I start tapping the next key=
 until I=20
> > > >>>>>>>> reach the "G's". 100 is "Game" and 101 is "Garage" and there=
 is=20
> > > >>>>>>>> NO GARBAGE!!! Stupid TYPO!!!!=20
> > > >>>>>>>>=20
> > > >>>>>>>> Anyhow, you have now been educated with Chapter 101a of 2GIG=
 Security=20
> > > >>>>>>>> Panels by Professor Les. Hope that made your day!!!=20
> > > >>>>>>>>=20
> > > >>>>>>>> Have a better day!!!=20
> > > >>>>>>>>=20
> > > >>>>>>>> Les=20
> > > >>>>>>> Lots of years ago, I think FBI had a talking panel and then t=
here=20
> > > >>>>>>> was (I think ) Apex. And if I'm not mistaken, Napco has one a=
lso.=20
> > > >>>>>>> Doesn't the "Freedom" keypad have voice? I forgot.=20
> > > >>>>>>> I thought the talking keypad was just a fabulous feature year=
s ago.=20
> > > >>>>>>> BUT, - - - - on the few I installed the customers all called =
me=20
> > > >>>>>>> back and asked me to shut it off because it was too annoying =
to=20
> > > >>>>>>> have to constantly hear "The sliding door is open", "The slid=
ing=20
> > > >>>>>>> door is open", "The sliding door is open", "The sliding door =
is=20
> > > >>>>>>> open", - - - - as the kids went in and out to the pool.=20
> > > >>>>>>> And on those panels the user didn't have access to turn off t=
he voice=20
> > > >>>>>>> I think there was a car that had a voice notification too. "A=
 door=20
> > > >>>>>>> is open" etc, etc while you were trying to talk to somo one. =
That=20
> > > >>>>>>> lasted about one model and the next year it was gone.=20
> > > >>>>>>>=20
> > > >>>>>>>=20
> > > >>>>>>> So again though. How did you get the network to the barn? Cab=
le,?=20
> > > >>>>>>> Ubiquity outdoor access point? Semaphore? Dixi cups and strin=
g?=20
> > > >>>>>> Sorry Jim my bad!! Got distracted......................=20
> > > >>>>>>=20
> > > >>>>>> Originally I ran cable from the house to a tobacco barn to a D=
ata=20
> > > >>>>>> Switch=20
> > > >>>>>> and then up a hill in conduit to a pole that I mounted a EnGen=
ius=20
> > > >>>>>> wireless bridge that sent the signal to another one on the bar=
n that is=20
> > > >>>>>> about 120' away. From that unit cabled 200' through the attic=
=20
> > > >>>>>> of the barn to another switch and a EnGenius WiFi Point. That =
worked=20
> > > >>>>>> fine until there was a lighting bolt and some parts went elsew=
here.=20
> > > >>>>>> Replaced the EnGenius with Ubiquity antennas. Again all seems =
to work=20
> > > >>>>>> fine.=20
> > > >>>>>>=20
> > > >>>>>> Now they want to start streaming video from the barn. The spee=
ds=20
> > > >>>>>> can't handle it and it was decided to hardwire all the way to =
the=20
> > > >>>>>> barn with Data Switches to boost the signal. Will be placing=
=20
> > > >>>>>> Ubiquity Wireless Points. 1 ea. U6-LR and 3 ea. U6-Lite units=
=20
> > > >>>>>> placed in the barn and stable areas to get coverage.=20
> > > >>>>>>=20
> > > >>>>>> There will be a Unifi Cloudkey installed to control all the po=
ints.=20
> > > >>>>>>=20
> > > >>>>>> Cabling will be a pain!! But doable. All T&M.=20
> > > >>>>>>=20
> > > >>>>>> Hope all that makes sense.=20
> > > >>>>>=20
> > > >>>>>=20
> > > >>>>> WOW!=20
> > > >>>>> And all that just so the cows can watch Opra! and Dr. Pol.=20
> > > >>>>> Amazing.=20
> > > >>>>> Well, I guess there's something better about the milk from a=20
> > > >>>>> satisfied cow.=20
> > > >>>>>=20
> > > >>>> Oh, I guess I forgot to mention that this is a=20
> > > >>>> Horse Riding/Training Barn. No Cows on the property.=20
> > > >>>>=20
> > > >>>> Les=20
> > > >>>>=20
> > > >>>>=20
> > > >>>>=20
> > > >>>>=20
> > > >>> now come on Les, there's cows there, there just "on" the horses..=
.=20
> > > >>> ;-)=20
> > > >>>=20
> > > >>> RTS=20
> > > >>>=20
> > > >> That's Funny!! But, comparing a cow to the good looking riders is=
=20
> > > >> bit off key. I would have chosen another 4 footed animal to compar=
e! :-)=20
> > > >>=20
> > > >> Actually there are Cows on the Amish Farm that is on the other sid=
e=20
> > > >> of the road. Along with Horse Teams for pulling Plows and Buggies.=
=20
> > > >> Ain't no technology as we know it, happening there!!=20
> > > >>=20
> > > >> Les=20
> > > > Hey Les=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Maybe you could talk the Amish into buying some plastic cups and ro=
lls of string for local communication and some megaphones for long distance=
.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > So have you ever heard this one?=20
> > > > What is this=20
> > > > clip-- - - - clop, clip - - - clop, clip - - - --clop, clip-clop, c=
lip-clop, , BANG, BANG, BANG, clippity-clop, clipity-clop, clippity-clop, c=
lipity-clop=20
> > > >=20
> > > > It's an Amish drive by shooting.=20
> > > >=20
> > > Yes, that is a very oldie!!=20
> > >=20
> > > I had a job to install a Fire Alarm in a renovated building that=20
> > > was going to have 8 apartments. The building owner/contractor=20
> > > was Amish. The deal was 50% to start, 30% on delivery of equipment=20
> > > and 20% on completion. Did the pre-wire and when the place was=20
> > > ready to start the install I got the equipment and delivered to=20
> > > location and received a check for $2600. Two days later I found=20
> > > out that the check had bounced. I was on my way to another job.=20
> > > I turned around and when to the apartment site. The place was=20
> > > locked up, no one on site. I got the outside key and went inside=20
> > > and removed all the parts and placed in my van. Then I called=20
> > > the Amish guy on his cell phone. I told him his check bounced=20
> > > and if he wanted the job completed it would have to be cash or=20
> > > a cashiers check before I would continue. He said, "Well you=20
> > > don't know how to work with the Amish!!" I never told him that=20
> > > I had removed the equipment and I never went back. I informed=20
> > > the local inspector I was off the job. I used the equipment=20
> > > on other jobs there after.=20
> > >=20
> > > Les=20
> > Sounds to me as if you know how to work with the Amish very well indeed=
 !=20
> >=20
> > I think there is this mythical notion that because the Amish lead a ver=
y austere life style reminiscent of a more innocent and - - - a person is a=
s good as his hand shake - - times, that they are not up to date in the whe=
eling and dealings of todays business.=20
> > If you want to delve into it, do some research on who was associated wi=
th enforcement for Howard Hughes during his Las Vegas days.
> They were Mormons, he used them because they didn't drink if I recall

Yeah, you're right.=20
I thought about it after I sent the post and thought "Mormons not Amish" an=
d just didn't have the time to get back here to correct it.