Re: Automatic fire sprinklers

[DD_BobK <rkazanjy@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Jan 15, 10:25=A0am, Evan <evan.news.re...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 10:00=A0am, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > "Evan" <evan.news.re...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
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> > > Ok... =A0First off Bob, we are all talking about an additional
> > > system on a home which will cost all of maybe $10,000
> > > maximum on an average sized home... =A0If you can not
> > > afford that cost on a home which will preserve lives and
> > > the home itself in the future and would rather be spending
> > > it on a fancier bathroom or kitchen, then you really should
> > > be living in a high rise tower with small brick lined rooms
> > > and an elevator ride of two minutes up and down...
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> > > It is NOT an immediate out of pocket expense to most
> > > people as they have a mortgage to build the house in
> > > the first place...
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> > Right, it is not an immediate out of pocket expense, it is a finance pa=
yment
> > that will be huge over time. =A0 On a 30 year mortgage at 4%, that is $=
47.47
> > for 360 months or $17,186. =A0Adding that much to the cost of a home ca=
n be
> > devastating to the small house market for lower incomes.
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> > > Second, fighting a fire costs a LOT more than the $10,000
> > > a residential fire suppression system would cost... =A0Think
> > > of a small town which has four fire apparatus... =A0For a big
> > > enough fire they would all be at that one house dealing with
> > > it... =A0That is an awful lot of water being pumped and diesel
> > > fuel to power the pumps...
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> > Multiply $10000 times the number of houses in the town. =A0Is that not =
greater
> > than the cost of fighting a few fires every year? =A0While you may be a=
ble to
> > justify the cost over one house, you cannot over an entire town.
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> > > So why shouldn't the government place a tiny portion of
> > > the burden of the costs of such work on the owner of the
> > > home by requiring automatic fire sprinklers be installed in
> > > homes...
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> > Because it is not a tiny cost and putting sprinklers in every house wou=
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> > not eliminate the fire department. =A0They still need that equipment an=
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> > people to operate it. =A0 Put some real numbers together and lets talk.=
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> > now you are blowing silly scenarios out your ass with no facts to back =
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> > The fact that it will cost LESS to finish putting
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> > > out any fires which have spread to the attics or roofs of
> > > fire sprinkler equipped homes and overhaul them AND that
> > > such systems will SAVE LIVES isn't enough for you,
> > > you feel that there should be no requirements at all...
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> > Let's see the numbers.
> > I have doubts, but I'm sure you can remove them.
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> Ok Ed,
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> If someone can not afford an extra $18k when building a house,
> they should be building a house... =A0They should be living in
> the public project housing in a nasty city on welfare...
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> I hear people piss and moan about houses and the market,
> too many idiotic people bought "investment properties" with not
> one clue how to either "invest" nor rent them out...
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> Don't cry over the market -- you are supposed to buy a house
> because you want to live there for a very long time, not because
> you want to upgrade to the next biggest and best thing when
> you have paid down your mortgage enough to have 20% down
> on another house you aren't able to afford...
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> Buy a house that you can afford and live within your means,
> not a house which has a mortgage payments you can't
> really afford if you were honest, those 2 shiny new leased
> cars in the garage/driveway and the lastest and greatest
> shiny electronic toys...
>
> ~~ Evan

Evan-

So everyone should live their lives according to the plan that you
endorse?

cheers
Bob