Re: Automatic fire sprinklers

[nick markowitz <nmarkowitz@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Jan 12, 11:31=A0am, jamesgangnc <jamesgan...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 10:25=A0am, Kurt Ullman <kurtull...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > In article <5qednQCgQrTCWbDQnZ2dnUVZ_oidn...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > =A0"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > ?
> > > "Shaun Eli" <missingch...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote .>
> > > > It's a pretty small cost to add sprinklers to new construction. Fir=
es
> > > > are rare but they're expensive as hell. And you can rebuild a house=
;
> > > > you can't rebuild a burned-to-death person.
>
> > > I'd like to see if they really save lives. =A0How many people are kil=
led by
> > > smoke inhalation before a sprinkler would activate? =A0I'm thinking o=
f a
> > > smoldering sofa or mattress that can kill you long before a flame get=
s hot
> > > enough to set off a sprinkler head. =A0 In the case of a heater fires=
, it may
> > > make a difference as the fire is in another area of the house.
>
> > =A0 According to the NFPA records there has never been a multiple fatal=
ity
> > fire in the US. Their records go back to around 1900. Most of the
> > fatalities have been things like smoking in bed where the smoker was
> > cooked, but nobody else, which would seem to answer your question. This
> > includes hotels, nursing homes, hospitals, etc., in addition to
> > residences.
>
> > > As for property damage, it does save fire damage, but can replace it =
with
> > > water damage.
>
> > > I'm not for or against, I just want to see more facts before deciding=
.
>
> > --
> > "Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree =
is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
> > =A0---PJ O'Rourke
>
> I've seen multiple fatality fires just here in the local news in NC so
> something is wrong with your source.

The smoking in bed is one scenario where a sprinkler would not save
your life due to smoke inhalation.
The no multi fatality  with sprinklers is accurate  but the wording is
when a system has been properly maintained and installed.

Why is there no single sprinkler head easy install kit for existing
homes where they could be easily attached to an existing water source
in a basement area where pipes are usual very accessible and where
many fires start.
and could well serve to suppress a fire. At one time a saw a small
garden hose kit with single head you attached to back of washer and
then hanged on ceiling.
Want to know why its the same asses who make the rules  UL etc who put
so many restrictions on technology no one wants to make one unless its
approved by some group to help limit law suits.

UL, ICC and NFPA are not your friend when you realize all the goings
on in the background.

just like Arc fault breakers why make them unless you can get some
agency to mandate them because most people given the chance would not
use them making the cost high.