Re: DMP Who?

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Oct 21, 8:49=A0am, jackcsg <jack...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Oct 20, 10:29=A0pm, Jim <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Oct 20, 5:31=A0pm, jackcsg <jack...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On Oct 20, 11:50=A0am, "Bob La Londe" <onebike...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > "jackcsg" <jack...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > >news:94d43e62-ed3f-4a7b-b7ce-358eaa818bc6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=
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> > > > > On Oct 19, 12:35 am, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >> On Oct 18, 7:05 pm, "Russell Brill" <russwbr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> w=
rote:
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> > > > >> > "jackcsg" <jack...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > > >> >news:72b5881e-c578-4898-bc67-61ac1bc16546@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=
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> > > > >> > On Oct 8, 9:08 pm, "Russell Brill" <russwbr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> =
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> > > > >> > > I wonder if DMP knows there products are being sold online??=
? Check
> > > > >> > > this
> > > > >> > > outhttp://www.homesecuritystore.com/p-1574-xtl-kit-dmp-wirel=
ess-alarm-ki...
> > > > >> > > ... Next summer the door-to-door kids will probably be selli=
ng and
> > > > >> > > installing it, smooth move DMP, there's nothing like selling=
 your
> > > > >> > > crap in
> > > > >> > > K-Mart..........
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> > > > >> > I saw that a few weeks ago. Weird.
> > > > >> > What happened Russ, I thought you were using DMP?
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> > > > >> > Nope, they would never talk to me... They claim to have some e=
xclusive
> > > > >> > agreement with another company in the Sacramento area... If I =
want to
> > > > >> > install their stuff, I guess I'll just have to order off of E-=
Bay or
> > > > >> > from
> > > > >> > the Home Security Store........ So much for their exclusive ag=
reement,
> > > > >> > any
> > > > >> > homeowner in Sac can buy it off the Internet, but the local al=
arm
> > > > >> > dealers
> > > > >> > can't buy it from DMP... I'll stick with Honeywell for now....=
..
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> > > > >> I guess I would understand that marketing concept if the product=
 was a
> > > > >> major step up from all the others but from what I've seen it isn=
't
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> > > > > I think in the low end residential market; that's a fair statemen=
t.
> > > > > However, in the Commercial Arena: nothing can touch it. (XR-500N)
> > > > > I did two Vista 21IP Installs about a week ago; nice little panel=
.
> > > > > I'm still fond of things "Made in the USA".
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> > > > What's special about the XR-500N?
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> > > I just did 5 large production plants out in Indiana. Access Control,
> > > Fire, Security, IP Door Intercoms, plant wide paging (with voice
> > > announcement of each event)(40 preprogrammed messages), Network
> > > Cameras, and NVR, all functioning in harmony with an XR-500N. Inputs
> > > and Outputs; nothing else compares. All controlled remotely through a=
n
> > > Internet connection; and locally through software. The largest plant =
I
> > > did has 370 points, and I'm using around 160 outputs off the panel.
> > > Trust me; it's special...-
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> > Long time ago (70's) , in another life, I used to spec jobs like that,
> > mostly fire and securty, as access control didn't exist. Equipment was
> > a lot, LOT less sophisticated than now, of course. No electronics, all
> > relays. =A0I enjoyed the research, drawing and lay out part of those
> > jobs, but dealing with the unions, and management people was the hard
> > work ( for me, anyway) Just never could get past taking the uneducated
> > criticisim of those jerks personal.
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> > We only had exposed bells for fire systems back then, no horns or
> > strobes. The all time dumbest question I think I was ever asked
> > was .... do the bells come in different colors?
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> It's funny because one the leading components of the sale, was the
> ability to announce which door a visitor was at. The guys were
> ordering food late at night, and the delivery person had a hard time
> communicating they were on site.
> It's also funny you mention fire bells; I was just at a home that had
> a sprinkler system, and the homeowner planted ivy which grew up all
> around the bell, and basically rendered it useless. She said she did
> that because it was red and ugly. The previous alarm company ran a
> wire to the flow and tamper, but never tied it in. It's been that way
> for 5 years.
> Most of the Plants I did, stole the 110 of the sprinkler circuit, to
> place outlets near the risers so they could put heat strips on the
> pipes so they wouldn't freeze.
> One plant had 17 risers; with virtually no notification. Priceless.
> Most of them had no tampers on the shut off valves as well. Of which
> about half were closed.
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I know what you mean ( on a much smaller scale) Seems nowdays that
more and more of my service calls  and take over work is comprised of
fixing things that the previous companys didn't do.

I'm taking over a small deli in town. The new owners called the
previous owners alarm company to come and take over their
monitoring .... it took 4 telephone calls to get them to call back.
They explained that they couldn't arm the system because there was a
1, 2, 6 and 8 coming up on the keypad. He told them that it was open
zones and instructed them over the phone on how to bypass them before
arming the system with the previous owners arming code. One of the
zones was the front door and one of the other zones was the motion
detector in the shop. The operating keypad was mounted behind the
counter on the same wall as the control panel and an old inoperative
keypad from a previous system was left by the front door. Obvious to
anyone that it was dead with no lights or alpha display.  The phone
line had been disconnected so there was no central station and weeks
passed and the alarm company never called them back. Last Sunday they
were broken into and their brand new cash register was stolen along
with some other small items and they destroyed the front door which
had to be replaced.  On monday, I'm going to replace the $69.00 board,
move the kepad up by the front door and fix the open contacts for
$200.00 and get $25.00 a month for about 2 hours worth of work. It's a
loss leader but hell, I'll make it up the first few months and be the
hero ta boot!

I might even get some video work out of it because I'm  guessin
whoever did the break-in was probably a customer and saw that the old
keypad by the door wasn't working. I mentioned that to the new owner
which was something that he hadn't thought of. The next day he tried
to watch how many people looked at the old keypad and he found that
most, glanced at it as they left the store.

Thank you .....  Old alarm company!