Re: The ICC ? Who????

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On May 5, 5:21=EF=BF=BDpm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On May 5, 4:37=EF=BF=BDpm, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On May 5, 1:19=EF=BF=BDpm, Jim <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On May 4, 7:36 am, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > On May 3, 9:14 pm, "Bob La Londe" <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > > "Jim" <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > > >news:03ec23ce-bd2e-496d-a916-270b78eab89f@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=
com...
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> > > > > > Hey! Is there anybody in here?
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> > > > > > Anyway, I just read an article about CO detectors and I really =
don't
> > > > > > understand the significance of it.
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> > > > > > The article starts off by saying that the International Code Co=
uncil
> > > > > > ( ICC) has published new requirements for carbon monoxide detec=
tion
> > > > > > and revised requirements for smoke detectors. They are covered =
in the
> > > > > > International Residential Code for one and two family dwellings=
 and
> > > > > > town houses. Who the hell is the International Code Council? Th=
e
> > > > > > article says that the ICC codes are rapidly becoming the "code =
of
> > > > > > choice" for state and local governments that adopt and enforce
> > > > > > building code standards. What ever happened to NEC and NFPA?
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> > > > > > Here's the link. Take a look at the section towards the end of =
the
> > > > > > article "Fire Alarm Systems Changing Course"
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> > > > > >http://www.securityinfowatch.com/root+level/fire-and-intrusion-i=
cc-st...
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> > > > > > What say?
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> > > > > I say, "Sounds like another group of bozos creating a job for the=
mselves by
> > > > > promoting themselves as an authority just like the NEC and the NP=
FA"
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> > > > The ICC is the group which tells where fire,Sprinkler and co system=
s
> > > > etc are to be used IE homes, apartments etc
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> > > > The NFPA and UL etc tell you where and how it is used.
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> > > > The ICC has been around for over 15 years where have you been. It i=
s a
> > > > standard thats been adopted by most states.
> > > > which allows for one uniform code set. we adopted it in Pa about 5 =
yrs
> > > > ago and it makes things a hell of a lot more easier instead of deal=
ing
> > > > with a different code for each town you go into.
> > > > If you do commercial work better plan to learn it or plan to go out=
 of
> > > > business. because sooner or later your gonna get tagged on it.-
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> > > Hi Nick,
> > > Well, this is exactly why I DON'T do commercial fire anymore. Over th=
e
> > > last 15 or more years, the influx of every Political, Union, and self
> > > appointed special interest entity that decides that THEY are the
> > > "authority" and have the say over what the public needs "for their ow=
n
> > > good" =EF=BF=BD.......... just about makes me retch. Another "standar=
ds"
> > > proscriber is just what everyone needs. What more justification can
> > > these self serving AHJ's need, simply to
> > > rationalize the reason to keep their jobs? When it reaches the point
> > > that people who want a fire alarm can't get one because they can't
> > > afford it because they have to "meet code" .......... that's
> > > ridiculous!
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> > > That's as bad as the fishing industy in spite of ever diminishing
> > > quantities of fish, insisting that they be allowed to continue fishin=
g
> > > for smaller and smaller fish so they can make a living ...... until
> > > there are no more fish.
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> > > How can this ICC code be "one uniform code set" when every AHJ has th=
e
> > > authority to impose what ever the hell HE thinks should be "the
> > > code"? =EF=BF=BDRegardless of which code is "supposed to be followed,=
 they can
> > > do what ever the hell they want to justify their job. I mean, what
> > > other job allows you to have the control to make up your own rules an=
d
> > > regulations that only you can enforce, yet have no knowledge to be
> > > able to tell you what those requirements are and can negate anything
> > > that's in the code? Job requirement's: Overweight, wear baseball cap,
> > > American flag emblem on shirt sleeve, smoke cigar, carry clip board,
> > > spend afternoons browsing through asiles of Home Depot, only availabl=
e
> > > to inadaquately do your job, when you feel like it and then only
> > > between the hours of 10am and 2pm allowing 2 hours for lunch.
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> > > I divorced myself from the bureaucratical bullshit a number of years
> > > ago when I gladly paid a fine of $400.00 that a self important fire
> > > marshal imposed on my customer because I told him to shove his stupid
> > > rules and regulations up his ass. One of the most satisfying $400.00 =
I
> > > ever spent.
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> > Pa. passed the uniform construction code which follows
> > The ICC and this has been a very good thing here because it stops ahj
> > from causing bullshit regulations.
> > if an ahj =EF=BF=BDdemands above and beyond ICC he must have it approve=
d by
> > the state .
> > it also holds ahj accountable =EF=BF=BDfor the first time when they ste=
p out
> > of there boundary.
> > and i have helped in getting rid of a lot of real shit inspectors and
> > having them retire.
> > it also levels the playing field because now everyone has to bid a
> > similar set up a real fire panel and smokes etc not a burg panel with
> > sirens for commercial set ups like some ahj allowed. all inspectors
> > must now be certified thru ICC or they do not inspect.
> > In the long run it has gotten rid of many of the fuck head AHJ and bad
> > contractors.
> > either follow the rules or do not work.
> > but the problem of bad contractors who got chased from commercial work
> > went over to residential side and now there required to register with
> > state.
> > despite all the hassles of keeping up with codes and regulations I
> > will take commercial any day over residential.
> > unfortunately too many residential guys try to come into commercial
> > and lose there ass because they think they can do what they do in a
> > home and get there jobs shut down.
> > They just shut down one of my institutional customers jobs other day
> > when =EF=BF=BDdrywall contractor they used did not get permits etc =EF=
=BF=BDto put up
> > walls and he caused a false fire alarm and got caught.
> > The institutional customer knew better and so paid the price.
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> Now your saying that extra wall they put up was no problem well it was
> because they blocked the sprinkler head smoke and strobe which now
> needs moved and others added to make the space safe. theirs kids
> sleeping in the rooms but then again if they where not caught this way
> the state health inspector would have caught them =EF=BF=BDon the yearly
> inspection and they would have paid dearly like the idiots who put the
> access control box in the elevator room.
> when there was no access system for the elevators.
> He was told not to put it in there and he did any ways and got busted.
> he thought he was exempt from codes too.
> Needless to say I'm going to be getting rid of this customer because
> they like to cut corners and do things
> with out permits and it looks bad on me being in there doing the fire
> work.-


Now see?   If you were doing nothing but residential, you wouldn't
have to worry about all that crap. Wouldn't it be a lot easier to
simply have to explain 27 times how to use a 4 zone alarm system to an
87 year old lady who, when your done, asks you ..... Which button
turns it on and off?