Re: The ICC ? Who????

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On May 4, 7:36=EF=BF=BDam, nick markowitz <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On May 3, 9:14=EF=BF=BDpm, "Bob La Londe" <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > "Jim" <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > Hey! =EF=BF=BDIs there anybody in here?
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> > > Anyway, I just read an article about CO detectors and I really don't
> > > understand the significance of it.
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> > > The article starts off by saying that the International Code Council
> > > ( ICC) has published new requirements for carbon monoxide detection
> > > and revised requirements for smoke detectors. They are covered in the
> > > International Residential Code for one and two family dwellings and
> > > town houses. =EF=BF=BDWho the hell is the International Code Council?=
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> > > article says that the ICC codes are rapidly becoming the "code of
> > > choice" for state and local governments that adopt and enforce
> > > building code standards. What ever happened to NEC and =EF=BF=BDNFPA?
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> > > Here's the link. Take a look at the section towards the end of the
> > > article "Fire Alarm Systems Changing Course"
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> > >http://www.securityinfowatch.com/root+level/fire-and-intrusion-icc-st.=
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> > > What say?
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> > I say, "Sounds like another group of bozos creating a job for themselve=
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> > promoting themselves as an authority just like the NEC and the NPFA"
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> The ICC is the group which tells where fire,Sprinkler and co =EF=BF=BDsys=
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> etc are =EF=BF=BDto be used =EF=BF=BDIE homes, apartments =EF=BF=BDetc
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> =EF=BF=BDThe NFPA and UL etc tell you where and how it is used.
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> The ICC has been around for over 15 years where have you been. It is a
> standard thats been adopted by most states.
> which allows for one uniform code set. we adopted it in Pa about 5 yrs
> ago and it makes things a hell of a lot more easier instead of dealing
> with a different code for each town you go into.
> If you do commercial work better plan to learn it or plan to go out of
> business. because sooner or later your gonna get tagged on it.-

Hi Nick,
Well, this is exactly why I DON'T do commercial fire anymore. Over the
last 15 or more years, the influx of every Political, Union, and self
appointed special interest entity that decides that THEY are the
"authority" and have the say over what the public needs "for their own
good"  .......... just about makes me retch. Another "standards"
proscriber is just what everyone needs. What more justification can
these self serving AHJ's need, simply to
rationalize the reason to keep their jobs? When it reaches the point
that people who want a fire alarm can't get one because they can't
afford it because they have to "meet code" .......... that's
ridiculous!

That's as bad as the fishing industy in spite of ever diminishing
quantities of fish, insisting that they be allowed to continue fishing
for smaller and smaller fish so they can make a living ...... until
there are no more fish.

How can this ICC code be "one uniform code set" when every AHJ has the
authority to impose what ever the hell HE thinks should be "the
code"?  Regardless of which code is "supposed to be followed, they can
do what ever the hell they want to justify their job. I mean, what
other job allows you to have the control to make up your own rules and
regulations that only you can enforce, yet have no knowledge to be
able to tell you what those requirements are and can negate anything
that's in the code? Job requirement's: Overweight, wear baseball cap,
American flag emblem on shirt sleeve, smoke cigar, carry clip board,
spend afternoons browsing through asiles of Home Depot, only available
to inadaquately do your job, when you feel like it and then only
between the hours of 10am and 2pm allowing 2 hours for lunch.

I divorced myself from the bureaucratical bullshit a number of years
ago when I gladly paid a fine of $400.00 that a self important fire
marshal imposed on my customer because I told him to shove his stupid
rules and regulations up his ass. One of the most satisfying $400.00 I
ever spent.