Re: UL trying to get rid of combo panels

[nick markowitz <nmarkowitz@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Jul 2, 9:27=A0pm, "Doug" <n...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> "nick markowitz" <nmarkow...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > Had a DSC rep tell me UL has plans to eliminate combo fire/burg panels
> > down the road .
> > because the insurance industry is pushing it. Have no truth to this
> > either way =A0But I got news for both groups
> > if your even thinking about it better forget about it.
> > I will be among the first to bring a class actions suits against you .
> > combo panels have there place and function in the world of integration
> > and taking them away will take away a valuable tool to the integrator.
> > If the public ever knew all the horse shit that goes on in setting UL
> > and insurance regs =A0etc.and money you have cost them =A0they would bu=
rn
> > you at the =A0stake.
>
> I personally think that using combo panels for commercial fire shouldn't =
be
> allowed and some jurisdictions don't allow them anyway.
>
> Doug

Then you have never seen them properly applied in an industrial
command and control integration solution.
it would take 4 panels to do now what one combo can do .
and would not afford the safety a combo can.
I do a lot of work in the petro- chemical areas where stand alone fire
and burg panels do not cut it. when you are trying to comply with not
only homeland security requirements  but also EPA ,OSHA and the new
Mass notification systems.
Its a shame there are fully IP integrated panels in EU you are never
going to see here  we keep going backwards in technology while there
going forward.
Yes there are definitely some areas combos should not be used but
there are areas where they should only be used.

The combo panel is only panel which gives you true complete
supervision to all components of the life safety system.
you are designing in an industrial situation. and life safety means a
lot more than fire and burg.in an industrial setting.
There's not one AHJ who has ever turned me down after i have shown
them what a combo panel can do including the wireless fire capability
when  they have come into one of my existing layouts and seen it in
action.
EPA,OSHA, DHS love them.
Only a combo allows me to do

high/low heat  Hi Low  PH etc.
Spill  alert  and control
 dike overflow alert
man down alert
Oil Burner  ignition failure and control  so maintenance is notified
theirs a problem before there a false fire dispatch
3 phase power monitor and control
tank overflow alert
interlock safety systems for production areas.
 multi alert horns and strobe light colors for alert in progress
and it goes on and on.
1 supervised  wire  sending data  from all points   not 4 separate
systems 4 separate wires and only 1 supervised.