Re: using CAT5 for smoke detectors

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Jan 16, 10:15=EF=BF=BDam, jewellfish <jewellf...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 2:26=EF=BF=BDam, Effenpig1 <dirtyspicev...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Jan 11, 12:51=EF=BF=BDam, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > Effenpig1 wrote:
> > > > On Jan 10, 11:49 pm, "Christopher Glaeser"<nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> =EF=
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> > > >>> Can't do it. NFPA72 says 18 gauge fire rated wire.
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> > > >> An installer on another forum says he uses CAT5 for smoke detector=
s. =EF=BF=BDTo
> > > >> avoid nicks in the 24AWG and potential breakage, he strips the wir=
e with his
> > > >> fingernails. =EF=BF=BDSays he's been doing it for years. =EF=BF=BD=
I had assumed CAT5 was not
> > > >> to code, hence my question.
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> > > >> Best,
> > > >> Christopher
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> > > > IMHO, It seems there are more installers who do things the wrong wa=
y
> > > > than the right way. Most of them can't be convinced of the error of
> > > > their ways because, as you mentioned, They've been doing it for yea=
rs.
> > > > All it takes is one substantial loss with an investigation and it's
> > > > all over.
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> > > > Most proper uses of cat5 require the use of some kind of crimp on
> > > > connector, which is kind of telling in itself. The conductors are t=
oo
> > > > fragile too be stripped and put under terminals.
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> > > Alot has to do with costs. I can't tell you how many newer ADT, Brink=
s,
> > > P-1 installs out there using standard 4 conductor for everything. Sur=
e
> > > it's wrong, but there are no wire police (inspectors) that actually
> > > care, or just turn a blind eye. Many still use 24 gauge zip wire on n=
ew
> > > construction, and even intercom wire to keypads. If every job was
> > > required to be properly inspected prior to getting monitored, I doubt=
 it
> > > that anything would change.
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> > > Just think about the cable companies. According to NFPA72, the instal=
ler
> > > is required to be a journeyman electrican to climb the same pole that
> > > the home's electric power is on, to make the final connections...but
> > > that always gets overlooked. I see these same bozos break out an all
> > > alumium ladder and lean it on the power poles. These guys break more
> > > OSHA safety rules than any industry I have ever seen, but life goes o=
n.
> > > If there is a buck to be made, you can rest assured someone will look
> > > the other way, while the envelope slides across the table.
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> > > Jim Rojas
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> > I lost count of how many 100 and 200 amp service entrance cables I
> > replaced because the cable guys just decide to drill their hole next
> > to it without checking inside first. I guess they can't fathom the
> > idea that you can run entrance cable in directions other than straight
> > ahead. If by some chance they missed the main they were still fond of
> > drilling through various other wires. Of course they always do this at
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> We make them work harder at that kinda thing around here. =EF=BF=BDServic=
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> drops, from the weatherhead to the meterbase and then to the breaker
> panel must be in rigid metal raceway. Doesn't make it idiot proof, but
> it, at least, makes it tougher for them to do and since the pipe is
> grounded they know just when penetrate to conduit and hit the wire :-)
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> jewellfish-

I'm sure that all the metal raceway does, is make them press harder on
the drill.