Re: using CAT5 for smoke detectors

[jewellfish <jewellfish@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Jan 16, 2:26=A0am, Effenpig1 <dirtyspicev...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jan 11, 12:51=A0am, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > Effenpig1 wrote:
> > > On Jan 10, 11:49 pm, "Christopher Glaeser"<nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> =A0wrot=
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> > >>> Can't do it. NFPA72 says 18 gauge fire rated wire.
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> > >> An installer on another forum says he uses CAT5 for smoke detectors.=
 =A0To
> > >> avoid nicks in the 24AWG and potential breakage, he strips the wire =
with his
> > >> fingernails. =A0Says he's been doing it for years. =A0I had assumed =
CAT5 was not
> > >> to code, hence my question.
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> > >> Best,
> > >> Christopher
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> > > IMHO, It seems there are more installers who do things the wrong way
> > > than the right way. Most of them can't be convinced of the error of
> > > their ways because, as you mentioned, They've been doing it for years=
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> > > All it takes is one substantial loss with an investigation and it's
> > > all over.
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> > > Most proper uses of cat5 require the use of some kind of crimp on
> > > connector, which is kind of telling in itself. The conductors are too
> > > fragile too be stripped and put under terminals.
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> > Alot has to do with costs. I can't tell you how many newer ADT, Brinks,
> > P-1 installs out there using standard 4 conductor for everything. Sure
> > it's wrong, but there are no wire police (inspectors) that actually
> > care, or just turn a blind eye. Many still use 24 gauge zip wire on new
> > construction, and even intercom wire to keypads. If every job was
> > required to be properly inspected prior to getting monitored, I doubt i=
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> > that anything would change.
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> > Just think about the cable companies. According to NFPA72, the installe=
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> > is required to be a journeyman electrican to climb the same pole that
> > the home's electric power is on, to make the final connections...but
> > that always gets overlooked. I see these same bozos break out an all
> > alumium ladder and lean it on the power poles. These guys break more
> > OSHA safety rules than any industry I have ever seen, but life goes on.
> > If there is a buck to be made, you can rest assured someone will look
> > the other way, while the envelope slides across the table.
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> > Jim Rojas
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> I lost count of how many 100 and 200 amp service entrance cables I
> replaced because the cable guys just decide to drill their hole next
> to it without checking inside first. I guess they can't fathom the
> idea that you can run entrance cable in directions other than straight
> ahead. If by some chance they missed the main they were still fond of
> drilling through various other wires. Of course they always do this at
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We make them work harder at that kinda thing around here.  Service
drops, from the weatherhead to the meterbase and then to the breaker
panel must be in rigid metal raceway. Doesn't make it idiot proof, but
it, at least, makes it tougher for them to do and since the pipe is
grounded they know just when penetrate to conduit and hit the wire :-)

jewellfish