Re: Which system is better?

[tourman <robercampbell@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sep 7, 8:31=A0am, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Sep 6, 11:20=A0pm, too fat for a ladder <alarminst...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Sep 6, 10:51 pm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > On Sep 6, 9:15 pm, too fat for a ladder <alarminst...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > On Sep 6, 8:04 pm, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > > On Sep 6, 5:10 pm, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Sep 6, 12:25 pm, too fat for a ladder <alarminst...@xxxxxxx>=
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> > > > > > > On Sep 5, 10:38 pm, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 11:05 am, Frank Olson
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> > > > > > > > <use_the_email_li...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > If so, the operators don't even see the alarm if it's t=
urned off
> > > > > > > > > > by the client within 30 seconds.
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> > > > > > > > > We don't use a dialler delay (if that's what you're meani=
ng). =A0I have
> > > > > > > > > yet to see a client disarm a system within 30 seconds of =
an alarm,
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> > > > > > > > That's a joke right? Most customers I've seen have no probl=
em
> > > > > > > > disarming within that amount of time, if they can't then th=
ey've
> > > > > > > > forgotten the code or something. <
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> > > > > > > 90% of the bullshit would be solved if these lemonheads would=
 start
> > > > > > > using 2 way voice, but why spend a few extra bucks on somethi=
ng that
> > > > > > > might save a life or reduce false dispatches?
> > > > > > > Dialer delays further expose the end user's safety and securi=
ty in a
> > > > > > > true emergency. Dialer delays should be tossed out the door.
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> > > > > > I second the 2-way voice recommendation
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> > > > > RHC: Whaaaat....are you guys joking? This is what Alarmfarce push=
 in
> > > > > their bullshit pitches.....Tom, this is NOT funny......:))) <
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> > > > Bob just because AlarmForce offers 2 way voice that doesn't make th=
at
> > > > particular quality of monitoring out to be bullshit. Using your log=
ic
> > > > then your company, and anyone else using digital monitoring must be
> > > > pitching bullshit because that's what Crimebusters/ABC Security
> > > > offers.
> > > > I recommend you sit through a demonstration of 2 way voice response
> > > > before jumping to conclusions. When properly installed it is 1000x
> > > > better than digital could ever be. 2 way puts the operator in the
> > > > house with you. The operator is able to monitor the situation even =
if
> > > > you can't get to the phone. I'll finish this later because the wife=
 is
> > > > pitching a bitch.
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> > > RHC: Come on...get serious...LOL. If this is such a great thing, why
> > > is the only company (Alarmforce) using it a complete scam. Even if it
> > > was something that a serious company would actually consider, how can
> > > a voice listen in feature be anything but confusing to an operator.
> > > Besides, assuming someone is home, the only difference is a fraction
> > > of a second between a house connection through the mickey mouse
> > > speaker, and answering a phone call. And if there is no one home to
> > > answer the phone, and the operator has to spend time "listening in",
> > > this delays calls to the balance of the calling list. Besides what is
> > > he or she to do at that point, since it's pretty obvious that a
> > > burglar on premises is sure as hell not going to answer any query
> > > coming over the squawk box. She might hear him trashing the place, bu=
t
> > > I very much doubt that if the speaker is in the keypad the burglar is
> > > elsewhere in the bedroom. So what does dead silence tell the
> > > operator ?
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> > > I can't believe this is anything other than a marketing gimmick which
> > > has great appeal to an uninformed consumer, but little value
> > > otherwise. However, if I'm wrong I'm more than willing to listen to
> > > valid arguments otherwise. If it's so great, why don't all the
> > > monitoring stations push it to the industry.
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> > > There is a well informed gentleman who often frequents the newsgroup
> > > who is part of a large monitoring station made up of dealer owners.
> > > His first name is Ron something or other....I'd sure like to hear his
> > > opinion on the pluses and minuses of this sort of response
> > > methodology. <
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> > Are you sure you're not Sicilian? You are thick as a brick ya old
> > buzzard. I'm letting Mark explain it because the wife is still up my
> > ass. BTW check my damn websites and give your opinion ya fucking
> > canuck curmudgeon.
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> RHC: Thick?...no.....cynical...absolutely! In our industry, the
> allmighty buck takes the place of the right or wrong of any
> situation ! With total scumbag companies like Alarmforce pushing it,
> why wouldn't I be suspicious right off the bat? Wait until this sh*t
> comes south of the border, and you'll see..........
>
> BTW, I think that person's name is Ron Weiss and I believe if memory
> serves me correctly, the company was called something like "Monitoring
> America"

RHC: I have sent off an email to this gentleman asking for his
opinion, and hopefully he will share his views on this matter.