Re: Firewolf 4-wire Napco 816 gives E41

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On Sep 3, 8:46?am, "Robert L Bass" <RobertLB...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hmmm, someone here is quick to correct others...
> > I always use zone 8 as a smoke zone because
> > + Fire Power is right next to it, then the - Fire Power wire is the
> > only wild one traveling to the other side
> > of the circuit board...
>
> So do I for the same reason.  However, it was wrong
> to state that only zone 7 or 8 are for fire alarm.  In
> fact, if the need ever arose you could use every zone
> on the panel as a smoke zone.
>
> > It's a neatness thing, I just assumed (whoops) the
> > OP had done the same...
>
> That's a reasonable assumption.  However, the question
> was raised as to which zones could be used for smoke.
> The correct answer is any zone or zones -- not 7 or 8.
>
> > What led me to that assumption, the OP stated, "I
> > have a Napco 816 with a Firewolf 4-wire smoke. It
> > has an EOL on it and it lights up fine, green lights
> > blink, etc.  The keypad gives me an E41 error on that
> > zone, however. It's set as a standard Fire zone"....
>
> Agreed.  That is what the gentleman said.
>
> > His statement led me to believe he had checked the
> > two wires at the panel that are used for smoke zone trigger by
> > reading the resister installed at the
> > smoke head with a Meter...
>
> Unfortunately, that is not a reasonable assumption.
> It may be correct, but IME it's best to ask if he checked
> the resistance.  I usually just mention to my DIY clients
> that the appropriate resistor for a 4-wire smoke on a
> Napco system is 2.2K, which has 3 red bands.  All too
> often I receive calls from folks trying to diagnose a
> system which someone else (a porofessional) has
> installed and learn that they don't own a meter.  I usually
> suggest a quick trip to RatShak for a meter.  They sell
> for as little as $15 or $20 and most DIYers don't need
> anything fancy.  It's also common to find DIYers and
> professional primates alike who are not familiar with the
> resistor color code.  You've been in the trade long
> enough to have seen the same thing, I assume. Whoops :)
>
> > Which made me think he had NOT properly terminated
> > zone 8 on the circuit board. If someone is unfamiliar
> > with Napco, that could easily happen...
>
> That is true, especially if using zones 7 or 8 since Napco
> arranges them differently from the first six zones.  When
> I first saw that many years ago even I thought it strange.
> They do so, as I'm sure you know, to facilitate use of
> the switched fire power terminal.  I always remind DIY
> clients of this if they're using Napco.  It helps avoid
> confusion.
>
> So yes, we agree that it was possible the gentleman
> miswired the zone.  I only corrected the other two
> primates because of Leuck's primate comment.
>
> > The OP also stated, "It's set to a standard fire zone".
> > Zone 7 & 8 can either be a Standard Fire Zones, or
> > Two-Wire Fire Zones used with Two-Wire Smoke
> > Detectors....  Again, I might be misunderstanding
> > his statements, but I believe a reasonable person
> > can see why I would do that...
>
> I must be a reasonable primate since I agree with
> you.  However, it wasn't your comment that led to this
> discussion.  The OP asked, "Should I only use zone
> 7 or 8 for this, even though it's a 4-fire?"
>
> CG replied to that query, "7 or 8."  That was incorrect.
> Leuck chimed in with the primate comment.  I thought
> it funny since neither he nor CG realized they were
> wrong.  It's no big deal, really.  Anywhere except ASA
> it would have been ignored.  :^)
>
> > Maybe because I've actually installed GEM P816's.......
> > Enough said....
>
> Not quite.  I've also "actually installed" Gemini P816
> systems.  However, I prefer their larger cousins, the
> P3200 and P9600.  The wiring is pretty much the
> same but the larger panels allowed us to wire each
> door, window, motion and glass break sensor to a
> separate zone.  I always offered full perimeter protection
> which made it easier to win while bidding against lower
> primates.  It's easier to maintain a system with each
> sensor wired separately so I've sold far more P3200
> and P9600 systems, both DIY and professionally
> installed.
>
> BTW, I still find it funny that some folks get bent out
> of shape because some years ago I said that any
> primate can learn to install an alarm.  At the time
> one of the idiots said he was insulted that I considered
> him a primate.  No one else even noticed how stupid
> that was.  I guess none of the professional primates
> got past high school freshman biology.  :^)
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass

So you've installed a P816 have you?   Just exactly where did you
install it?  Since it wasn't introduced until after you sold your
alarm company and moved to Florida, it would certainly be interesting
to find out where you installed anything .... without a Florida
license. So either you're lying again or you're installing illegally.
But .... on the other hand, you'll probably just lie again and say you
installed it for a "friend".

Also, you forgot to mention one little thing in your "primate" story.
The fact that your were calling all installers stupid, monkeys and
idiots to foster people to buy your equipment, rather than have an
installation done. But when it got to the point that people were
pulling up your quotes to show what a vindictive and lying asshole you
were, you erased your posts and started calling people "primates".
Everyone who witnessed your nasty name calling knows exactly what
you're refering to. Newbys coming here, don't know what a son of a
bitch you really are and take you at your word that people take
offense at being called primates.

Would you care to deny it?

No ..... you never do deny what I say, because you know everyone in
the Newsgroup will support the truth.