Re: DSC LCD5500 Message Programming Question

["Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think the factory rep for eacg product line could give the best answer for
these questions.

The DSC rep says 90 persent of his customers do keypad programming
The Bosh rep says 90 perscent do download programming.
I never asked the Napco or Honeywell rep. what their numbers are.

"Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> On May 9, 9:50?pm, "Mark Leuck" <m..le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > > > > > Never download what you can't hand program first
>> >
>> > > > > Tsk tsk.
>> >
>> > > > > I would have thought you'd have thrown that thought out along
>> > > > > with
> 4/2
>> > > > > format.
>> >
>> > > > Odd thing to think
>> >
>> > > > > After all, hand programing takes some thought and we wouldn't
>> > > > > want
>> > > > > anything like thinking to interfer with installing an alarm
> system.
>> >
>> > > > Well I can't speak for the way you choose to install an alarm
>> > > > system
>> >
>> > > I would presume not.
>> >
>> > > Since you can't do it.
>> >
>> > Can't do what? Install? I bet I've done more than you
>>
>> You really think that you've installed more alarm systems than I have?
>> I don't mean just program while you're sitting behind your desk doing
>> a boilerplate download.
>
> Good because I wasn't talking about downloading
>
>>  A number of years ago I tried to estimate how many installations I've
>> done through the years (37, going on 38) (how many years did you say
>> you actually installed (?) two was it? Well anyway, I estimated I'd
>> installed somewhere between 2 and 3 thousand alarm systems.
>
> That makes us pretty even then
>
> That was as
>> of about 8 to 10 years ago So it's got to be 4 thousand or more by
>> now. Not downloaded now ..... but actually installed or been on a crew
>> that was installing.
>
> Yea see a crew that was installing is generally considered installing
>
> Back when I started, we were doing sometimes 3 /
>> 4 installs a week for months and months ( I want to say years but I
>> don't remember)
>
> I did 7 or 8 a week for years because I do remember
>
>> > > Yeh, sure!
>> >
>> > You'd say that because your panel of choice is a pain in the ass to
> keypad
>> > program anyway, likely too tuff for you anyway-
>>
>> Not likely. I've been using Napco for more years than you've been in
>> the trade, (early to mid 80's) so their kepad programing is second
>> nature. Back in the 90's I installed my first Gemini panel and
>> immediately afterwards, I went out and bought a laptop dedicated to
>> programing panels.
>
> Yea I would too if I had to think about hand programming a Gemini panel
>
>
>> And by the way, something that you've often said is ..... that more
>> people hand program than use laptops. I guess it must be a something
>> about the people you deal with. I've used your "statistic" in
>> conversations around here and even mentioned it at an association
>> meeting as if it were true and nobody I've ever talked to, ever
>> programs anything they install by hand around here.
>
> It's not "my" statistic, it came from several manufacturers, it's THE
> reason
> why downloading software from every manufacturer is total garbage compared
> to any other software, its THE reason why Napco only in the last couple of
> years finally moved away from DOS, its THE reason why Honeywell Compass is
> 16-bit can still be run in Windows 3.1.
>
> They will not put a ton of money into something so few people use, don't
> believe me ask them, ask any of them
>
>> Even from feedback
>> from a few CS people. The small 15 minute panels .....yeah .... but
>> anything 12 ..... 16 zones up ...... everyone uses laptop on the job
>> or download from the main office. Haven't found one person who hand
>> programs.
>
> Yea I imagine they also install Napco :)
>
>> Must be the "NY minute" syndrome, in action or you've really been
>> successful in dumbing down your employers customers. Maybe it's some
>> kind of job security for you to be able to tell them how to do it by
>> hand.(?) Hell, I guess if everybody programed by laptop, you'd be out
>> of a job. So I guess that's an advantage for you ...... to deal with
>> dummy customers(?)  or what?
>
> If they all did it with laptops it wouldn't affect me one bit since I'm
> not
> in tech support fielding tech calls, haven't done that for years now
>
>