Re: DSC LCD5500 Message Programming Question

[Jim <alarminex@xxxxxxx>]

On May 10, 12:03=EF=BF=BDam, "Mark Leuck" <m..le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> "Jim" <alarmi...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > On May 9, 9:50?pm, "Mark Leuck" <m..le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > Never download what you can't hand program first
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> > > > > > Tsk tsk.
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> > > > > > I would have thought you'd have thrown that thought out along w=
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> 4/2
> > > > > > format.
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> > > > > Odd thing to think
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> > > > > > After all, hand programing takes some thought and we wouldn't w=
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> > > > > > anything like thinking to interfer with installing an alarm
> system.
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> > > > > Well I can't speak for the way you choose to install an alarm sys=
tem
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> > > > I would presume not.
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> > > > Since you can't do it.
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> > > Can't do what? Install? I bet I've done more than you
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> > You really think that you've installed more alarm systems than I have?
> > I don't mean just program while you're sitting behind your desk doing
> > a boilerplate download.
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> Good because I wasn't talking about downloading
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> > =A0A number of years ago I tried to estimate how many installations I've
> > done through the years (37, going on 38) (how many years did you say
> > you actually installed (?) two was it? Well anyway, I estimated I'd
> > installed somewhere between 2 and 3 thousand alarm systems.
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> That makes us pretty even then
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> That was as
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> > of about 8 to 10 years ago So it's got to be 4 thousand or more by
> > now. Not downloaded now ..... but actually installed or been on a crew
> > that was installing.
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> Yea see a crew that was installing is generally considered installing

Ummm yeah ...... that's what I said.


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> =A0Back when I started, we were doing sometimes 3 /
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> > 4 installs a week for months and months ( I want to say years but I
> > don't remember)
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> I did 7 or 8 a week for years because I do remember
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> > > > Yeh, sure!
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> > > You'd say that because your panel of choice is a pain in the ass to
> keypad
> > > program anyway, likely too tuff for you anyway-
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> > Not likely. I've been using Napco for more years than you've been in
> > the trade, (early to mid 80's) so their kepad programing is second
> > nature. Back in the 90's I installed my first Gemini panel and
> > immediately afterwards, I went out and bought a laptop dedicated to
> > programing panels.
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> Yea I would too if I had to think about hand programming a Gemini panel
>

I don't understand your logic. It's important to you to use CID
because you say that it's easy, convenient and fast. Yet you promote
keypad programing?



> > And by the way, something that you've often said is ..... that more
> > people hand program than use laptops. I guess it must be a something
> > about the people you deal with. I've used your "statistic" in
> > conversations around here and even mentioned it at an association
> > meeting as if it were true and nobody I've ever talked to, ever
> > programs anything they install by hand around here.
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> It's not "my" statistic, it came from several manufacturers, it's THE rea=
son
> why downloading software from every manufacturer is total garbage compared
> to any other software, its THE reason why Napco only in the last couple of
> years finally moved away from DOS, its THE reason why Honeywell Compass is
> 16-bit can still be run in Windows 3.1.

Napco tech support guy I spoke to says most download. Like you say,
likely due to the difficulty that some people have with their keypad
programing, but certainly it's a lot quicker easier more convenient to
do so even in comparison to hand programing other mfgs. You can't tell
me that it's easier to program other mfg zone descriptions by hand and
THAT's the one thing that takes the longest on any panel. So .... to
me, any time saved by easy feature programing via keypad is lost in
zone descriptions. And ..... there's no way to check your programing
when done by keypad. With a laptop you've got a documented article to
refer to rather than a penciled in sheet where you may have written
one thing and programed another.

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> They will not put a ton of money into something so few people use, don't
> believe me ask them, ask any of them

Well, no.


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> > Even from feedback
> > from a few CS people. The small 15 minute panels .....yeah .... but
> > anything 12 ..... 16 zones up ...... everyone uses laptop on the job
> > or download from the main office. Haven't found one person who hand
> > programs.
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> Yea I imagine they also install Napco :)

Even though this area is mostly napco land, uniquely, most people I
come in contact with use Ademco/Honeywell. The use a laptop.


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> > Must be the "NY minute" syndrome, in action or you've really been
> > successful in dumbing down your employers customers. Maybe it's some
> > kind of job security for you to be able to tell them how to do it by
> > hand.(?) Hell, I guess if everybody programed by laptop, you'd be out
> > of a job. So I guess that's an advantage for you ...... to deal with
> > dummy customers(?) =A0or what?
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> If they all did it with laptops it wouldn't affect me one bit since I'm n=
ot
> in tech support fielding tech calls, haven't done that for years now-

Glad to hear that. For their sake.