Re: Problem With ADT System - Need Advice

["pyro" <pound.sand@xxxxxxx>]

YAWN... sorry that is all I can muster...YAWN..man!... just another
competitor trying to take a chop at Sonitrol...

Thanks for the feed back but I think the details of your personal life
(which is fine with me) belongs somewhere else.

: )  Have a great day... there is plenty of business for all...



"Roland" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >sorry to say but your an idiot
> I've known I've been an idiot for some time. It seems you are giving me a
> one up by actually practicing your idiocy.
>> club house leader Robert...
> Yes Robert and I have a special relationship. He gives a great foot
> massage. That's how we found each other at the club. We frequently visit
> the Castro district together when were not in Palm Springs.  He and I have
> matching thongs we wear while strolling on the beach in Brazil together,
> just holding hands and snuggling.
>
>>$60K+ commercial installations
> Not an impressive number for a commercial installation if that was you
> goal.
>
>>$3-5K home installs.
> I don't do many home installs, but I can tell you that was a price from
> many moons ago. With trunk slammer installations and ADT, Brinks, etc.
> selling below give away pricing, not many home systems go in at that price
> anymore. If you only do custom work, and not for giant home builders or
> someone else trying to beat you up on price, maybe.
>
>>So I  guess I do not have to worry about the bad guys "big loud horn"
>>assult.
> If you would actually learn about your craft from all sources, and not
> just drink the Sonitrol Kool Aid, you might have a chance at getting your
> foot out of your mouth. The world usually discovers a better mouse trap
> and can distinguish that from better hype and BS over time. Save this
> thread. If you stay in the security business you may in the future find
> your comments quite humorous.
>
>
> "pyro" <pound.sand@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:QSuph.7016$%Q4.5408@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Hey Roland... sorry to say but your an idiot as well see my response to
>> your club house leader Robert...
>>
>> Are your V.P. of the same club..
>>
>> Best wishes... Oh just as some additional info. Most of our business
>> encompasses $60K+ commercial installations not $3-5K home installs. So I
>> guess I do not have to worry about the bad guys "big loud horn" assult.
>>
>> : )
>>
>> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:45a63cde$0$5202$4c368faf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >Ok, lets start slowly for you...
>>> Okay I will.
>>> Step one. Get a big battery.
>>> Step two. Get a big loud horn.
>>> Step three. Get wire.
>>> Step four. Pick spot to burglarize with Sonitrol Listen-in System.
>>> Step five. Wire battery to horn. Place at front door of target.
>>> Step six. Toss rock through window.
>>> Step seven. Wait until cental station operator has time to hear and
>>> ignore signals.
>>> Step eight. Rape, pillage and plunder at will.
>>> Around here even the lamest burglar knows this trick, so do customers.
>>> So no one uses Sonitrol with that feature much, even Sonitrol. They've
>>> gone "conventional" for the most part. All the listen in type systems I
>>> see are either disconnected or abandon.
>>> If you use that stuff still and want to pay for it I'll post a message
>>> at the alarm parts house. I am sure you'd have plenty of used gear in
>>> short order.
>>>
>>> "pyro" <pound.sand@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:hnkph.18049$Pe7.5320@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Ok, lets start slowly for you...
>>>>
>>>> Your right Sonitrol is a "listen in technology" that offers "Alarm
>>>> verification" and as far the Police are concerned this makes the call
>>>> from a Sonitrol central station a higher priority than if your or any
>>>> other alarm company called them. This is per the Police departments SOP
>>>> nor Sonitrol's.
>>>>
>>>> Your Hitler comment is embarrassing... yes, to you.
>>>>
>>>> All alarm companies  have misses,  life sucks. We are the only company
>>>> (please enlighten me if there is another) that if we miss we offer our
>>>> client up to $5000 in compensation. Not a lot (considering what they
>>>> might have lost) but I believe ADT offer the second highest which is
>>>> $500. What we can offer is documented proof of over 156,000
>>>> apprehensions the Police have made because of our system. No other
>>>> alarm company to my knowledge (including ADT) track this figure.
>>>>
>>>> Lets see, you said "Do you or does anyone really want some central
>>>> station operator making a decision about your life and property only by
>>>> what he or she hears?" Well actually you do and consider three
>>>> things...
>>>>
>>>> 1) What the central operator is listening to is the perimeter of your
>>>> business or home. What that mean is we have advanced notice of the
>>>> break in. What that means is that Sonitrol has the capability of
>>>> calling the Police... ok are your ready...BEFORE THE BAD GUY GET'S IN.
>>>> 2) Ok... If I had to rely on something "making a decision about my life
>>>> and property" I would probably want to rely on a technology that allows
>>>> for someone to evaluate the occurrence and that the POLICE DEEM A
>>>> PRIORITY,  as oppose to technology where the only interaction is a
>>>> central station operator being notified that a door contact or a motion
>>>> detector has gone off (Oh yeah, per Police department door contacts and
>>>> motion detectors false over 90% of the time.).
>>>> 3) Whether you like it or not or personally agree with it or not as far
>>>> as the Police are concerned their SOP on call priorities are Police
>>>> officer in trouble, armed robbery and "VERIFIED" burglar alarm.
>>>> Reacting to a Non Verified alarm is 7th on the list.
>>>>
>>>> Sonitrol has been in business for over 30 years I am not sure how long
>>>> MGI had been around. Sonitrol is Nation Wide with location in Canada
>>>> and Europe. Sonitrol is the 4th largest Alarm company in the country...
>>>> and only because only about 25% of our business is residential. We are
>>>> a Commercial Security Provider.
>>>>
>>>> Ahh excellent statement about the insurance companies. We live in a
>>>> political world. Without politics by now whatever municipality your
>>>> alarm company exists in the police would be requiring you offer them
>>>> "Verified Notification" of a break in or else they WOULD NOT RESPOND.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, but let's be fair and "unbunch your panties... Everybody make
>>>> mistakes traditional systems, Sonitrol even the Police make mistakes...
>>>> nobody is perfect. But come on throw me a bone... The traditional door
>>>> contact / motion detector systems are a 50+ year old technology. There
>>>> is really better stuff out there... the problem... the technology
>>>> (Sonitrol's) is proprietary and Sonitrol limits it's franchises. So ya
>>>> want poke hold is the Sonitrol system.... go ahead. Maybe you feel it
>>>> take attention away from the multiple inadequacies and real limitations
>>>> of your system. You know the Motorola "Brick Phone" was by far one of
>>>> the best phone for it time and quite frankly if you still own one,
>>>> pound for pound it a great phone... but that technology as good as it
>>>> was is just "outdated" and although the phone may work (actually is
>>>> wont because it is not digital) why would you want to use it when more
>>>> modern phones (that have their limitation as well) offer some much more
>>>> reliability.
>>>>
>>>> So try not to be so closede minded ... especially since Sonitrol
>>>> probabally did not allow you to sell ther product line.
>>>>
>>>> Again we are the better solution... Sonitrol Security... call for a
>>>> presentation and evaluate for yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Mention Pyro and I'll get back to you..
>>>>
>>>> Take Care
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:45a5c381$0$5184$4c368faf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >There is a better solution... Sonitrol Security... call for a
>>>>> >presentation and evaluate for yourself
>>>>>
>>>>> Sonitrol is nothing more than a type of listen in technology. That
>>>>> kind of technology is great for alarm verification and little else.
>>>>> Listening to Sonitrol Security success stories is like listening to
>>>>> someone talk about all the good things that Hitler did. Why don't you
>>>>> include how many missed break-ins and law suits they have? Do you or
>>>>> does anyone really want some central station operator making a
>>>>> decision about your life and property only by what he or she hears? I
>>>>> was at a high profile soft drink manufacturer today listening to how
>>>>> proud the customer was of us because she saw in the local news where
>>>>> our system caught the bad guy at a nearby arena major events venue.
>>>>> Lots of folks posting here have similar success stories to tell. In
>>>>> our case it wouldn't have happened that way using Sonitrol, and I bet
>>>>> the others here would say the same thing. I can tell you for certain
>>>>> after using MGI and other now defunct manufacturers of similar product
>>>>> that it isn't what you seem to think it is. If it was every insurance
>>>>> company out there would be getting their customers to use it and
>>>>> making a ton of money from reduced loses.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're almost right though in your statement. Let me help you.
>>>>>>There is a better solution... Sonitrol Pornography... call for a
>>>>>>special presentation and ejaculate yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> "pyro" <pound.sand@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>>>> Hey I can expect these kinds of responses. You can't do what Sonitol
>>>>>> does because your technology is limited and antiquated. I have seen
>>>>>> multiple complaints that's say ADT installed their system and it did
>>>>>> not work properly, so they brought in Bay to Monitor and they did not
>>>>>> work out, so then they brought in Post, same problems. It does not
>>>>>> take a rocket scientist to figure out that it is  not the
>>>>>> "monitoring company" that is at fault, it is the system / technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got a buddy that works for ADT, I know exactly what they say about
>>>>>> the product. You have to get a competitive edge. A traditional
>>>>>> systems ONLY advantage is that everyone  (or just about everyone)
>>>>>> sell the same crap. Therefore the customer has know where to go and
>>>>>> eventually excepts what they got... OR they switch companies, feel
>>>>>> better for a while... and the cycle starts again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all system have failure rates. Nobody is perfect. You say you see
>>>>>> Sonitrol Systems in abandon buildings, and you also see ADT,
>>>>>> Honeywell, Bay, Post and a hundred other small and pop shops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, by the way... who is Robert Bass and why does he or anybody else
>>>>>> think he is so smart? He sounds like the typical old consultant type
>>>>>> trying to hang on the only technology he possess and makes every
>>>>>> excuse in the book for why it dose not work except for the relevant
>>>>>> excuse. The technology never worked well...ever but is was the only
>>>>>> available option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a better solution... Sonitrol Security... call for a
>>>>>> presentation and evaluate for yourself
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1168453822.760302.160820@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pyro wrote:
>>>>>>>> Want to really fix the on going issue??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Drop ADT or any system that is motion detector based. The problem
>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>> technology not the company. Go wih Sonitrol Security. No motion
>>>>>>>> detectors
>>>>>>>> and their system has a variety of other advantages all based on
>>>>>>>> thier
>>>>>>>> technology.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> You WERE replying on the subject regarding the lowest member of the
>>>>>>> evolutionary scale .... weren't you?
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