Re: AC Smoke interconnection

["Roland More" <NoSpamroland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>I have yet to see a "UL Listed damper switch", yet such
>interconnection is done all the time.
Those things can be so hard to get to I can't say that I have ever looked
for the UL sticker. It's a fire damper, you assume it's UL listed.

We had a situation where a customer decided (after the fact) that (because
of the insurance company) he needed to have residential 120VAC smokes
monitored via relay output. Even though it was just residential we couldn't
get any AHJ to bless it, so we bailed. The insurance company did find an
unlicensed (had burglar license not fire) trunk slammer (that wasn't even a
dealer for the brand of system installed) to make the connection, and we
turned the account over to him. Too much liability and false alarm potential
to keep that sort of business. Although this was done at the insurance
company's insistence, if something went wrong the insurance company would be
first in line to suck you into a lawsuit.

"Frank Olson" <Use-the-email-links@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Just Looking wrote:
>>> Nothing prohibits an individual from wiring his AC smokes to his >home's
>> burglar alarm panel
>>
>> Maybe not an individual, but around here most certainly a licensed fire
>> alarm company can't do it legally.
>
>
> Even a licensed fire alarm company can do such an interconnection.
> Around my neck of the woods, engineers often want the fire alarm system
> to "monitor" some building functions (such as damper positions or fan
> status).  Bass has on a number of occasions stated that you can't
> connect anything to a fire alarm system unless it's "listed" for the
> purpose.  I have yet to see a "UL Listed damper switch", yet such
> interconnection is done all the time.  At one particular school, the
> smoke alarms in the dormitories are "monitored" by the fire alarm
> system.  They don't initiate an evacuation alarm but simply provide a
> visual indication of the room in which the smoke alarm has been
> activated.  This allows staff to respond (most often it's because one of
> the students is smoking which is strictly against the "rooles").  The
> school is located in New York State (which is one of the most strictest
> jurisdictions in the US).
>
> There is no code or statute that prohibits an end-user (homeowner) from
> interconnecting his AC smoke alarms to his burglar alarm panel.  Bass
> and I frequently get into this argument and he loses all the time when I
> post the relevant code.  He's an idiot.  I'd suggest ignoring him, but
> he's way too entertaining.
>
> You will notice that he doesn't respond to me directly.  Care to guess
> why?