Re: store system w 4-8 cameras ?

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Bob Worthy wrote:
> "Norm Mugford" <1alarm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:RXSUg.25878$8s6.25392@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > I agree Bob....Some municipalities in Florida, especially
> > in your area, read more of the NEC than is necessary.
> > They go overboard, and make decisions that have nothing
> > to do with reality.
> >
> > By the way, get a "life"......
> > you wrote:
> > "Welcome to like in south Florida."
>
> That is just coffee in the keyboard!
>
> > "Bob Worthy" <securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:iKPUg.47112$vX5.15093@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > "Roland Moore" <roland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:IKGUg.25360$DU3.18069@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> UL listing on DVRs? None of what you posted on UL DVRs ever crossed my
> > > mind.
> > >> I can't quite figure under what conditions a local inspector would have
> > >> cause to be sniffing a DVR for its UL certification versus plain old
> > >> computer UL sticker.
> > >
> > > And you know what, as long as they see a sticker they are probably
> > > satisfied.
> > >
> > > I haven't met one that would know the difference
> > >> anyway.
> > >
> > > Welcome to like in south Florida.
> > >
> > >>It is not like a fire system inspection for a CO where you have to
> > >> call them out and give them all the cut sheets in advance. If you have
> an
> > >> inspection environment that is that brutal where you have to do
> submitals
> > >> for DVRs I feel sorry for you.
> > >
> > > No submittals. The attorney general, here in Florida, now running for
> > > governor, made it illegal, after 9-11 for any municipality to require
> > > anything on security that would be made public record. However, we do
> need
> > > to pull an installation permit and get 2 inspections. One rough and one
> > > final. At the final, they naturally look at the equipment. NEC requires
> > > that
> > > all conductors and equipment "shall" be approved for its intended use.
> > > They
> > > are rejecting cameras as well. For those that use them, there goes the
> > > $29.95  camera off the internet. Depending on where the wire is run, the
> > > rating on the wire must also meet the approval for its location, ie;
> > > plenum
> > > wire in a plenum ceiling, riser rated wire in a riser etc.
> > >
> > > I tried to check on this UL deal from one
> > >> manufaturer at the low end. General Solutions freely admitted their DVR
> > >> units weren't UL, but assured me that theirs would soon carry the UL
> > >> sticker.
> > >
> > > The fact that they are getting it approved tells you something. If it
> > > wasn't
> > > being required or they didn't get questioned on it, why would they spend
> > > the
> > > money? As expensive as it is, I am sure it is not out of the goodness of
> > > their heart. It isn't cheap to get something listed and then maintain
> the
> > > listing. I am sure it will show up in the price tag of the unit after it
> > > is
> > > listed.
> > >
> > >> I didn't ask him, but what is the number they put on the UL sticker
> > >> for a DVR anyway?  I never bothered to look at one to see.
> > >
> > > I don't know if this helps or not but  the number right under the UL
> > > listed
> > > sticker, on the one I have in the office, is:   6   03064 80348   0
> > >
> > >
> > > At the high end
> > >> there are COTS systems that are never intended to be complete box
> > > solutions
> > >> so there is no UL there. Even ones that are purpose built  like
> Intellex
> > >> have an archive manager program to off load video to non DVR UL
> > >> locations.
> > >> Bosch has an iSCSI drive array from NexSan and now Promise I think that
> > >> couldn't be part of the UL listing for the box itself. I am going to
> > >> continue to work my way up the food chain price wise and see what
> stories
> > > I
> > >> get handed from the manufacturers on this UL thing.
> > >> This is most interesting. Thanks for the post.
> > >
> > > It could be nothing more than in areas, that have tough inspection regs,
> > > are
> > > giving them and the dealers heartburn. The only thing is that the NEC
> > > requires listings and these inspectors sit on the toilet digesting
> > > everything in their bible. They may not know what they are looking at,
> > > which
> > > is sometimes the real problem, but they sure do know the code. They do
> > > have,
> > > through the code, the ability to make their own judgement calls in
> > > specific
> > > situations, waiving the code requirements, but try to get them to do it.
> > >
> > >> "Bob Worthy" <securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > >> news:358Ug.25255$8s6.13416@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >
> > >> > "J. @netscape.net>" <jsloud2001<removeme> wrote in message
> > >> > news:rpkth21kb8eu3j20atphufske4bp4n7pq3@xxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:41:57 GMT, Matt Ion <soundy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>I guess home built DVR's are sort of like kit cars or
> > >> >> homemade airplanes.  Maybe they'll work okay, but most people want a
> > >> >> purpose built machine and a warranty/ service plan from a reputable
> > >> >> company.  How does someone get a loaner or an advance replacement on
> a
> > >> >> homebuilt DVR?
> > >> >
> > >> > Whether the homebuilts are able to do the job or not, as with burg
> > > and/or
> > >> > fire systems, the local inspectors are hitting us with UL listings on
> > > the
> > >> > DVR's. Where does the listing come from, on one of the homebuilts?
> The
> > >> > listing on the orginal machine, if it has one, goes away once it has
> > > been
> > >> > rebuilt to suit. Just using listed parts does not cut it. The listing
> > >> > is
> > >> > based on the assembly. What does that do for a defendants case, even
> if
> > >> > the
> > >> > homebuilt is able to somehow produce a watermarked piece of evidence,
> > >> > other
> > >> > than leaving a large hole for the defendants attorney to walk
> through?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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