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No they will not communicate over the internet, the problem with =
anything internet related is the hookup on the customer's side, if they =
don't have a router you have to install and set one up which is a little =
daunting for a lot of techs
"Joe Lucia" <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message =
news:120gn38m68fclde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
But will it communicate via Internet? By not including the Cellular =
or any other networks we can keep the monitoring costs down more. It's =
not that they need a "backup", this is mostly for Primary for those who =
don't have phone but have internet and don't want to pay for a Radio. =
I'd like to see a bare-bones internet communicator (no proprietary =
receiver) for under $150 to be more affordable for those people trying =
to "save" money using VOIP services. The equipment should be cheap so =
we can all bask in the recurring monitoring revenue :) Unfortunately =
the equipment manufacturers don't get that recurring so they have to =
up-their-prices.
Mark Leuck wrote:=20
I just got in both TG-1 and TG-4 to test, they now support SIA unlike =
the
TG-100
"Bob Worthy" <securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Y_CNf.13979$Pv1.11525@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
They are slowly getting people to change over to the TG-4 Digital as a
replacement for the TG-100 before the Feb. 2008 deadline. There is a =
small
price increase of maybe 20-25 dollars.
"Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:-vSdnUyrBYg23JvZRVn-vg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I'm not sure how much longer the TG-100 will be out, they now have =
the
TG-1
and TG-4, the TG-4 is similar to the old TG-100 and the TG-1 is like =
an
Uplink 1500
"Bob La Londe" <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:fY2dnbQPKfoylJvZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The Napco Netlink Module does trigger activated reporting for any
panel
that
has trigger outputs. I can tell you more about it in a couple =
months
when
I
finish the alarm in my new house as I intend to play with one. It
works
for
network reporting a lot like the Uplink 1500 works for cellular. =
Not
wonderful, but ok as a backup only. For Napco 3200, 9600 and 255 it
is
supposed to be able to do full reporting.
I assume you are looking for something that just plugs in like the
Telular
TG-100 does for cellular and reports full CID or 4 X2. If I run
across
something I'll sure let you know.
"Joe Lucia" <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:120btire0vviv52@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I am getting hit with more requests for Internet Communicators =
that
are
not specific to an Alarm Panel. All of the Internet Communicators
I've
seen are specific to a manufacturers panels (and receiver
hardware/software) which makes it difficult to support all of the
different internet communicators out there.
What I think we want is a "plug-n-play" internet communicator. I.e.
Unplug the Alarm Panels RJ31X connector from the phone jack, plug it
into an Internet Communicator box, plug the Internet Communicator
box
into an Ethernet hub, walk away (no reprogramming of alarm panel
should
be necessary assuming it is already doing a standard Contact ID or
Pulse
format). The Internet Communicator should have a unique identifier
so
the C/S can attach it to an internal Account Number (regardless of
the
account number and phone number programmed into the alarm panel).
The
panel will pickup the phone line, hear dialtone (from the Internet
Communicator), dial, get a handshake, communicate, and get
kissed-off.
The Internet Communicator would then send the kissed-off signals to
the
Central Station via TCP on the Internet connection. If a connection
to
the C/S cannot be established via TCP then it should not kiss-off
the
panel causing a COMM
FAIL message (just like a phone line failure would). The Internet
connection to the C/S should be supervised periodically (like at
least
once every four hours). Any other features I'm forgetting? Maybe
the
ability to control a few Outputs on the module to be controllable
via
the C/S Dealer Web Access?
Has anyone run into an Internet Communicator with this capability.
We
do this exact scenario with the AES Radio and IntelliTap module
(replace
phoneline with radio without having to re-program account numbers or
phone numbers in the alarm panel), but I haven't seen a solution for
an
Internet Communicator. I'm almost done with an output module that
can
be used on any AES IntelliNet radio to control a few outputs via the
C/S
Web Interface (for remotely resetting a fire panel or even as a
keyswitch arm/disarm for any panel).
I've already ordered parts to make an Internet Communicator bases on
these specifications since I haven't found anything like it already
available. If anyone is out there that can build or knows of an
existing one I'd like to hear. I'm not in the hardware business but
it
looks like I may be if I can't find someone else who will do or has
done
it already.
=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>No they will not communicate over the internet, the =
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with anything internet related is the hookup on the customer's side, if =
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don't have a router you have to install and set one up which is a little =
daunting for a lot of techs</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Joe Lucia" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&g=
t;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:120gn38m68fclde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:120gn38m68fclde@cor=
p.supernews.com</A>...</DIV>But=20
will it communicate via Internet? By not including the Cellular =
or any=20
other networks we can keep the monitoring costs down more. It's =
not that=20
they need a "backup", this is mostly for Primary for those who don't =
have=20
phone but have internet and don't want to pay for a Radio. I'd =
like to=20
see a bare-bones internet communicator (no proprietary receiver) for =
under=20
$150 to be more affordable for those people trying to "save" money =
using VOIP=20
services. The equipment should be cheap so we can all bask in =
the=20
recurring monitoring revenue :) Unfortunately the =
equipment=20
manufacturers don't get that recurring so they have to=20
up-their-prices.<BR><BR><BR>Mark Leuck wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3Dmid0OydnfrWBIvs4ZrZRVn-hg@xxxxxxxxxxx =
type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">I just got in both TG-1 and TG-4 to test, =
they now support SIA unlike the
TG-100
"Bob Worthy" <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";><securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx></A>=
wrote in message
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"news:Y_CNf.13979$Pv1.11525@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:Y_CNf.139=
79$Pv1.11525@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">They are slowly getting =
people to change over to the TG-4 Digital as a
replacement for the TG-100 before the Feb. 2008 deadline. There is a =
small
price increase of maybe 20-25 dollars.
"Mark Leuck" <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx";><m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx></A> =
wrote in message
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"news:-vSdnUyrBYg23JvZRVn-vg@xxxxxxxxxxx";>news:-vSdnUyrBYg23JvZRVn=
-vg@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>...
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">I'm not sure how much =
longer the TG-100 will be out, they now have the
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">TG-1
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">and TG-4, the TG-4 is =
similar to the old TG-100 and the TG-1 is like an
Uplink 1500
"Bob La Londe" <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";><usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></=
A> wrote in message
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"news:fY2dnbQPKfoylJvZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:fY2dnbQP=
KfoylJvZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">The Napco Netlink =
Module does trigger activated reporting for any
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->panel
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">that
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">has trigger outputs. I =
can tell you more about it in a couple months
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">when
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">I
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">finish the alarm in my =
new house as I intend to play with one. It
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->works
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">for
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">network reporting a lot =
like the Uplink 1500 works for cellular. Not
wonderful, but ok as a backup only. For Napco 3200, 9600 and 255 it
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->is
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">supposed to be able to =
do full reporting.
I assume you are looking for something that just plugs in like the
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">Telular
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">TG-100 does for =
cellular and reports full CID or 4 X2. If I run
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->across
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">something I'll sure let =
you know.
"Joe Lucia" <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
href=3D"mailto:joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";><joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&g=
t;</A> wrote in message
<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
href=3D"news:120btire0vviv52@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:120btire0vviv52@cor=
p.supernews.com</A>...
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">I am getting hit with =
more requests for Internet Communicators that
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D"">are
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">not specific to an =
Alarm Panel. All of the Internet Communicators
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D"">I've
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">seen are specific to =
a manufacturers panels (and receiver
hardware/software) which makes it difficult to support all of the
different internet communicators out there.
What I think we want is a "plug-n-play" internet communicator. I.e.
Unplug the Alarm Panels RJ31X connector from the phone jack, plug it
into an Internet Communicator box, plug the Internet Communicator
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->box
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">into an Ethernet hub, =
walk away (no reprogramming of alarm panel
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D"">should
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">be necessary assuming =
it is already doing a standard Contact ID or
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D"">Pulse
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">format). The =
Internet Communicator should have a unique identifier
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->so
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">the C/S can attach it =
to an internal Account Number (regardless of
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->the
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">account number and =
phone number programmed into the alarm panel).
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->The
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">panel will pickup the =
phone line, hear dialtone (from the Internet
Communicator), dial, get a handshake, communicate, and get
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->kissed-off.
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">The Internet =
Communicator would then send the kissed-off signals to
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D"">the
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Central Station via =
TCP on the Internet connection. If a connection
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">to
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">the C/S cannot be =
established via TCP then it should not kiss-off
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->the
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">panel causing a COMM
FAIL message (just like a phone line failure would). The Internet
connection to the C/S should be supervised periodically (like at
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->least
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">once every four =
hours). Any other features I'm forgetting? Maybe
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->the
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">ability to control a =
few Outputs on the module to be controllable
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->via
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">the C/S Dealer Web =
Access?
Has anyone run into an Internet Communicator with this capability.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->We
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">do this exact =
scenario with the AES Radio and IntelliTap module
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D"">(replace
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">phoneline with radio =
without having to re-program account numbers or
phone numbers in the alarm panel), but I haven't seen a solution for
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">an
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Internet =
Communicator. I'm almost done with an output module that
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""><!---->can
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">be used on any AES =
IntelliNet radio to control a few outputs via the
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D"">C/S
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Web Interface (for =
remotely resetting a fire panel or even as a
keyswitch arm/disarm for any panel).
I've already ordered parts to make an Internet Communicator bases on
these specifications since I haven't found anything like it already
available. If anyone is out there that can build or knows of an
existing one I'd like to hear. I'm not in the hardware business but
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D"">it
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">looks like I may be =
if I can't find someone else who will do or has
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D"">done
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">it already.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""> =
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE =
wrap=3D""> </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!---->
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