Re: ADT Essential Wireless Package

[Danny <d@xxxxx>]

Jim wrote:
> J. wrote:
>
>>On 28 Jul 2006 18:50:39 -0700, "Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Most of the above is somewhat subjective but.......  OK ........
>>>
>>>But ....... How big is their customer base?
>>>Me thinks you go a bit too far.
>>>At what quantity do you think and end user might feel comfortable?
>>
>>Here's a fun little game to play.  Find a five year old phone book.
>>Call all the local alarm companies in the book.  How many are still in
>>business?  Past success is indicative of future performance.
>
>
> Bullshit. You sound like the typical ADT brainwashed sales person. You
> can do the same thing for any installation trade. Any average
> installation company, with any experience in this trade, doesn't
> advertise in the yellow pages. So .... in fact, anyone who's
> advertising in them is either a large company who's got the deep
> pockets to do it and doesn't miss the exobitant amount of money they
> cost, for the mininimal response gleaned from them ..... or ....
> someone who doesn't know any better. It's all word of mouth referrals
> in this and in most trades .... and if you had any experience as an
> entrepreneur rather than an employee, you'd know that.
>
> Here's a little game for YOU to play.
>
> Find my company name in a phone book.
>
> Nah, don't bother. Yet ....... I've been in this industry for 36 years,
> have an unlisted telephone number, don't advertise and I've had a box
> of 1000 business cards for about 10 years and it isn't even half empty.
> If I told you what my income was and how many accounts I have and gain
> every month ...... you'd actually shut your mouth for at least a
> second.
>
> Here's another game. Give me ANY already installed ADT residential
> system and I'll take it away from them within an hour. Their sales
> people are generally unaware of how systems should be installed or
> spec'd. They are almost taught how to sell a system but don't have a
> clue about where and how things should be installed.  I've taken every
> job away from them that I've ever quoted. They stink.
>
> With regard to their installations ..... Their touting to unsuspecting
> end users, that three doors and a motion detector is a "comprehensive,
> state of the art alarm system" has ruined this industry. In spite of
> the fact that most of their jobs are spec'd as wireless, their
> subcontracted or directly employed installers don't know how to install
> them. Since the installers generally don't have to do service the
> service calls, the installs are done sloppy and improper because they
> leave it up to the servicemen to fix their mistakes or depend upon the
> fact that the end user doesn't know that it's not done that way by
> experienced installers ..... who actually CARE about their customers.
> They wouldn't know how to install a concealed contact if their lives
> depened on it. Or .... perhaps I should say, they WOULDN'T install one.
> They generally do shoddy and slipshod work leaving wires and component
> exposed. They don't install RJ31X jacks or panel earth grounds, unless
> it's really-really convenient. Motion detectors mounted over keypads,
> because it's convenient, so that they've got to be put on delay.
> Wireless transmitters mounted on doors rather than molding, because
> it's more convenient. Siren mounted right below the motion detector,
> because it's convenient.
>
> Gimme a break with your defense of a defensless miscreant in this
> trade.
> The only reason that you don't have every participant in this Newsgroup
> jamming this back up your ass is because we've been down this road so
> many times before, it gets rather boring to have to put up with people
> like you, who occasionally come here showing how oblivious they are to
> what actually happens in this trade.
>
> By the way, keep in mind that "this trade" is composed of primarily
> small alarm installation companys, who make up the majority of the
> trade, and install more systems and monitor more accounts than all of
> the "mega" companys put together.
>
> Do YOU get the picture now?
>
BINGO