Re: Best place to buy parts for those of us who don't have a dealers license ?

["Norm Mugford" <1alarm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Go Get him Bob!

Mr. BAss doesn't pull permits in his area.....
He can't get them...he's not licensed...........
We all know that!

I think a good recommendation would be to have
the local Police Chief's prevent DIY monitored systems
from being registered in local jurisdictions unless they
are inspected by a licensed alarm dealer.
That will surely keep the false alarm rate down. (Especially
in Mr. BAss's area).

Know any members of the Florida Police Chief's Association?

I've seen some deplorable DIY systems.....Wires stapled to
the walls, holes drilled in the ceiling right above the windows
for the wire to pass thru, holes in the roof where the DIY
"specialist" used a bit provided by his DIY parts supplier
and went too far. Then there was the one that the DIY'er
spliced into the electrical box with 2/14 romex and soldered
the wire to the transformer prongs. Oh yeah, I forgot the
latest one; The panel was mounted in the dining room,
right in the center of the wall! (Must be a new type of
artwork!)

Oh Yeah....I agree Bob.....You do spend more on lunch
than the RMR you probably get from BAss's referral!
MUCH More..........

See ya in Pensacola.......

Norm Mugford







"Bob Worthy" <securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert L Bass" wrote in message:
>> > - but only a qualified professional can do it properly.
>>
>> On that we disagree.  Alarm installation isn't rocket science.
>> There are a few basic principals to properly installing motion
>> detectors, glass breaks, magnetic contacts and smoke detectors.
>> With advice from an experienced technician,
>
> Seeing you wanted to start with me again this new year, let me ask this
> question, "Where are your clients getting this advice?"
>
>>
>> The problems with DIY installations are most often associated
>> with poor quality hardware sold by some vendors
>
> Usually driven by the cheap client that is trying to save money from the
> git
> anyway.
>
>>and the lack of technical support.
>
> Like when they are on vacation and can't be reached by phone, email or
> fax?
>
>> > when applied properly, are invisible to the end user.
>>
>> Anything invisible to the end user is likely invisible to a paid
>> installer as well.
>
> You truely live in your own little world, Wannabe.
>
> very important electrical/electronic
>> > principles that guide the installation parameters for not just the
>> > system at "rest", but also in every conceivable situation or
>> > condition that it might be called upon to react to.
>>
>> A good DIY store will employ
>> experienced technicians who know what questions to ask to help
>> the client make those assessments.
>
> Is this what you suggest or what you practice? Be careful. Being an
> employer
> in the State of Florida opens up a big can of "Kicks and Giggles." hey hey
> hey :>)
>
>
>> If you screw up while driving you put yourself and your family at
>> much greater risk.
>
> Especially when there is a fatality!
>
>> Yet most Americans choose to DIY rather than
>> hire a professional driver.
>
> We know, you should have caught a cab!
>
>  > A good technician can determine whether the homeowner's needs
>> will be better suited by a simple, burg only system or a complete
>> home automation system.
>
> If a client is inquiring about a burg system, why, other than financial
> gain, are you putting them into a home automation system. When a client is
> looking for something specific, you will talk yourself out of the sale
> trying to sell the benefits of having their sprinkler system and coffee
> pot
> come on simultaneously. First learn the clients concerns, not what "you"
> think better suits them.
>
> >Beyond that, running wire from A to B
>> and physically connecting the components together is simple
>> enough.
>
> Yah they all have duct tape.
>
>> experienced or has proper technical support from the store where
>> s/he bought the system false alarms and system failures are less
>> of a problem than with many alarm companies.
>
> And where is the results and false alarm percentages of all these DYI
> installs documented? How many actually got so frustrated that the parts
> are
> in a box in the closet? How many of your DYI systems have you actually
> seen?
> One man's treasures are another man's trash. Simple enough to remember,
> everyone is proud of their own work regardless of what it turns out to be.
> I
> do know that what ever percentage of false alarms they generate are lumped
> in with the other false alarm figures. I wonder just what that percentage
> would be.
>
>  Since the prospective customer has
>> no way to know in advance
>
> It is called referrals. Another is called BBB. Another is called municiple
> building department. Another is called licensing board. Another is called
> Trade Association. Another is called "open your damn eyes, if it doesn't
> look professional, it probably isn't."
>
>> > That's not to say it "can't" be done, but someone who advises
>> > that "anyone can do it- no problem" is misleading you
>
> Hey..an hour on the phone with someone that is trying to sell you
> something
> will have you believing exactly what Robert is trying sell here.
>
> and
>> > minimizing the risks involved- usually for their own financial
>> > benefit...
>
> He figured you out, Robert.
>
>>By way of contrast, most professionally installed alarms on
>> existing homes are not inspected because most alarm companies
>> don't bother pulling permits unless it's new construction.
>
> In Florida the building (installation) permit is crossed referenced with
> the
> application for a user permit in most jurisdictions, just to bring you up
> to
> speed on what goes on around you Robert. No inspection, no user permit ie:
> no response.
>
>> > If your workmanship passes muster, keep track of your false
>> > alarm rate over a period of time...
>>
>> If it's anything better than 98% false, the DIY job is better
>> than the industry standard for professionally installed systems.
>
> tsk tsk......Only recites what he reads and has no practical experience to
> back it up. What a Wannabe! It is a shame you'll never be able to come in
> from the cold little boy. You might have had some potential if you hadn't
> made so many bad...bad decisions. On the other hand, this post was fun.
> Keep
> them coming Robert, seeing as how you chose to start the New Year.
>
>


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