Re: DIY is a rocky road.

["Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

No problem...whenever you have time.


"Allan Waghalter" <awaghalter@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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|I got busy.  Will answer when things slow down a bit...
| Allan
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| "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| > I'm witchya on that. I was just curious as to what Allan meant.
| > A lot of times clients *think* they want some feature and then end up
| > never
| > ever never using it.
| >
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| > "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > news:ubudnWlkgqiDo0nenZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > |I can't think of any, each panel has its own strengths and weaknesses
| > | however Ademco is far easier to program
| > |
| > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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| > | > Like what features?
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "Allan Waghalter" <awaghalter@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > news:EGPAf.3275$tb3.2097@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | Ademco might be easier to program, but the Napco is so much more
| > | > versatile.
| > | > | More features make for more programming.  As for me, I would
rather
| > be
| > | > able
| > | > | to configure a panel the way my customer wants to use it than be
| > held
| > to
| > | a
| > | > | more restricted panel.
| > | > |
| > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > | news:4PMAf.106$Ap5.10486@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > Ademco is not a large percentage of my installs...and ya know
I've
| > | never
| > | > | > really had problems with their stuff..at least the few models
that
| > I
| > | do
| > | > | > use.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > But having said that...at least Ademco stuff easier to program
| > than
| > | > | > NappyKO
| > | > | > :-)
| > | > | >
| > | > | > As far as programming goes though, nothing beats DMP for ease of
| > | > | > programming...sheesh it's like using an ATM machine just answer
| > | > questions
| > | > | > in
| > | > | > english. Panel of choice for this AARP installer.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Russell Brill" <russwbrill@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:39EAf.4606$Hd4.3835@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | That's what you get for installing Ademcrap..... :-)) hee hee
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
| > message
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| > | > | > | >I agree. I've been doing this stuff for almost 25 years and
| > | sometimes
| > | > I
| > | > | > | >have
| > | > | > | > to read the manual over and over again...and then STILL have
| > to
| > | call
| > | > | > tech
| > | > | > | > support --- who speak with a decidely off-shore accent. Its
| > | > | > frustrating
| > | > | > at
| > | > | > | > times, but its good when you get it right.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > "Charles Schuler" <charleschuler@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message
| > | > | > | > news:HqGdnd_lSslXUk_enZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
| > | message
| > | > | > | > | news:_dqAf.1174$CC1.527@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > | > | > Yep they do, and you have to speak Alarmish, a
sub-dialect
| > of
| > | > | > 'Glish.
| > | > | > | > | > They're not written for DIYers.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | They are not written for anybody who knows how to read and
| > also
| > | > | > trusts
| > | > | > | > what
| > | > | > | > | they read:
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | Installer code
| > | > | > | > | User code
| > | > | > | > | Default code
| > | > | > | > | Master code
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | In the manuals that I am trying to read, all of the above
| > appear
| > | > | > with
| > | > | > no
| > | > | > | > | definitions and are obviously used inappropriately, in
some
| > | cases.
| > | > | > | > Trying
| > | > | > | > | to program something as simple as time and date becomes a
| > | > | > mind-bending
| > | > | > | > | experience.  Not because it needs to be ... it's because
the
| > | hacks
| > | > | > who
| > | > | > | > wrote
| > | > | > | > | the manuals don't themselves understand the terms that
they
| > are
| > | > | > using,
| > | > | > | > or
| > | > | > | > | perhaps are semi-clever agents dedicated to the demise of
| > DIYs.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | I used to think this sort of thing was only endemic among
| > | offshore
| > | > | > | > products
| > | > | > | > | designed and built by other than English speaking
engineers.
| > | Now,
| > | > I
| > | > | > | > have
| > | > | > | > a
| > | > | > | > | whole new perspective on this issue.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | I know, I know ... this "stuff" is intended for
professional
| > | > | > installers
| > | > | > | > and
| > | > | > | > | they just enjoy the hell out of DIYs hanging out here,
| > twisting
| > | in
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > wind.
| > | > | > | > | My tenacity will prevail, in any case.
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | Maybe I'll put up a website and further illuminate this
| > | extremely
| > | > | > dark
| > | > | > | > | corridor of consumer electronics in the good ole yew ess
of
| > aay.
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