Re: DIY is a rocky road.

["Allan Waghalter" <awaghalter@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I got busy.  Will answer when things slow down a bit...
Allan


"Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> I'm witchya on that. I was just curious as to what Allan meant.
> A lot of times clients *think* they want some feature and then end up
> never
> ever never using it.
>
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> "Mark Leuck" <m..leuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> |I can't think of any, each panel has its own strengths and weaknesses
> | however Ademco is far easier to program
> |
> | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> | > Like what features?
> | >
> | >
> | > "Allan Waghalter" <awaghalter@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > news:EGPAf.3275$tb3.2097@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | Ademco might be easier to program, but the Napco is so much more
> | > versatile.
> | > | More features make for more programming.  As for me, I would rather
> be
> | > able
> | > | to configure a panel the way my customer wants to use it than be
> held
> to
> | a
> | > | more restricted panel.
> | > |
> | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | news:4PMAf.106$Ap5.10486@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > Ademco is not a large percentage of my installs...and ya know I've
> | never
> | > | > really had problems with their stuff..at least the few models that
> I
> | do
> | > | > use.
> | > | >
> | > | > But having said that...at least Ademco stuff easier to program
> than
> | > | > NappyKO
> | > | > :-)
> | > | >
> | > | > As far as programming goes though, nothing beats DMP for ease of
> | > | > programming...sheesh it's like using an ATM machine just answer
> | > questions
> | > | > in
> | > | > english. Panel of choice for this AARP installer.
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > "Russell Brill" <russwbrill@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > news:39EAf.4606$Hd4.3835@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | That's what you get for installing Ademcrap..... :-)) hee hee
> | > | > |
> | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> message
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> | > | > | >I agree. I've been doing this stuff for almost 25 years and
> | sometimes
> | > I
> | > | > | >have
> | > | > | > to read the manual over and over again...and then STILL have
> to
> | call
> | > | > tech
> | > | > | > support --- who speak with a decidely off-shore accent. Its
> | > | > frustrating
> | > | > at
> | > | > | > times, but its good when you get it right.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > "Charles Schuler" <charleschuler@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > | > | > news:HqGdnd_lSslXUk_enZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> | message
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> | > | > | > | > Yep they do, and you have to speak Alarmish, a sub-dialect
> of
> | > | > 'Glish.
> | > | > | > | > They're not written for DIYers.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | They are not written for anybody who knows how to read and
> also
> | > | > trusts
> | > | > | > what
> | > | > | > | they read:
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Installer code
> | > | > | > | User code
> | > | > | > | Default code
> | > | > | > | Master code
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | In the manuals that I am trying to read, all of the above
> appear
> | > | > with
> | > | > no
> | > | > | > | definitions and are obviously used inappropriately, in some
> | cases.
> | > | > | > Trying
> | > | > | > | to program something as simple as time and date becomes a
> | > | > mind-bending
> | > | > | > | experience.  Not because it needs to be ... it's because the
> | hacks
> | > | > who
> | > | > | > wrote
> | > | > | > | the manuals don't themselves understand the terms that they
> are
> | > | > using,
> | > | > | > or
> | > | > | > | perhaps are semi-clever agents dedicated to the demise of
> DIYs.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | I used to think this sort of thing was only endemic among
> | offshore
> | > | > | > products
> | > | > | > | designed and built by other than English speaking engineers.
> | Now,
> | > I
> | > | > | > have
> | > | > | > a
> | > | > | > | whole new perspective on this issue.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | I know, I know ... this "stuff" is intended for professional
> | > | > installers
> | > | > | > and
> | > | > | > | they just enjoy the hell out of DIYs hanging out here,
> twisting
> | in
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > wind.
> | > | > | > | My tenacity will prevail, in any case.
> | > | > | > |
> | > | > | > | Maybe I'll put up a website and further illuminate this
> | extremely
> | > | > dark
> | > | > | > | corridor of consumer electronics in the good ole yew ess of
> aay.
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