Re: Need Advice For Packaged Home Alarm Purchase

["R.H.Campbell" <rh.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Mike, "flipping paper" is a slang term used to describe the practice of
locking a client in to a long term contract and then selling the equity
built in to it to some other company or person. It's a reasonably common
practice probably more prevalent within the ranks of the small to medium
companies. I suspect the practice is far more common within the ranks of the
"lick and stick" mini system companies who's primary interest is running
primarily a quick, money making operation versus maintaining a long term
security company.

Regardless, if you are one of the customers in question, you start on day
one with your company of choice and end up with some other company (good or
bad) that you didn't choose to deal with.

RHC

"Mike" <wxyz09@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:gcLCf.490$JO5.413@xxxxxxxxxxx
> What  is flipping paper?  Selling LT contracts?
> Mike
>
> "mikey" <loismustdie@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:dre9gq$b0i$2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> the guy who installed it, sold it
>> ahahahahahahahahahaha, too many laughs tonight
>>
>> Note to Bob C
>> Write something on your page about "flipping paper" so we can warn these
>> poor folks about something more important than the dreaded LTC
>>
>> "Mike" <wxyz09@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:ypBBf.7778$zh2.3698@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> This is turning into a frustrating experience.  I'm learning a lot about
>>> what I need to buy and what to avoid.
>>> However, besides the A, B  and S companies I don't know who to call.
>>> This
>>> evening I was talking to a friend
>>> who bought the Slomon Shield system.  After reviewing the contract she
>>> states she bought the equipment (hard wired windows, doors, panic pad in
>> the
>>> bedroom, etc) out front and signed a contract for twelve months
>>> monitoring
>>> at $60.00 per quarter. The guy who installed it sold out to Security
>>> Associates, Hunt Vally, MD.  Any recomendations for security companies
>>> in
>>> the central Maryland area?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> "holger" <holger@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:w%fBf.27$CT.9@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > Try calling three 'local' alarm companies that make their everyday
>> living
>>> > on
>>> > security. You may find that you can get better service and maybe
>>> > someone
>>> > who
>>> > knows what they are really doing.
>>> >
>>> > I got feedback recently from a new customer that called the "B"
>>> > company
>>> > and
>>> > the "S" company. One didn't even look around, and the other was nasty!
>>> > I
>>> > hope they keep it up. I get more work with this type of competition.
>>> >
>>> > <H>
>>> >
>>> > "Mike" <wxyz09@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> > news:fWfBf.5504$zh2.521@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> Much thanks for your useful information.  I wouldn't have considered
>> many
>>> > of
>>> >> the items you mentiuoned in your post.
>>> >> I'm starting to feel like an informed consumer.   I attempted to
>> contact
>>> >> a
>>> >> local installer who installed a wired system,
>>> >> Solmon's Shield(sp?) for a neighbor, but he sold out to one of the
>> large
>>> >> security companies.    I then Called Brink's Security
>>> >> who told me I should buy their motion sensor system with door alarms
>> for
>>> >> $300.00 + and a $28.xx monthly fee.
>>> >> My house is a end of group rowhouse with a walk out basement.  I
>>> >> don't
>>> >> believe the motion sensor is going to cut it.
>>> >> I believe I need alarms in the basement and on the second floor.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mike
>>> >>
>>> >> "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> >> news:qR6Bf.29$H_2.2099@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> > Initial term of the contract should be something reasonable..2-3
>> years
>>> > is
>>> >> > common...anything  more as an initial term is kinda ridiculous.
>>> >> > Most
>>> >> > contracts auto-renew yearly on the anniversary date of the signing,
>>> >> > this
>>> >> > usually tied to your procedure on canceling monitoring should you
>>> >> > decide
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > cancel after the initial term...read what the notification time
>>> >> > is...usually
>>> >> > 30 days prior. Some states have restricitons on auto-renewal
>>> >> > clauses.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > What is their policy if you move before the initial term is
>>> >> > expired?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Read the fine print. Do you own all of the equipment once you have
>> paid
>>> >> > them
>>> >> > for the installation - not completion of the initial term of the
>>> > contract?
>>> >> > Make sure what you are buying is not actually a hidden leased
>>> >> > system.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Is the equipment proprietary? < Stay away from this, because if
>> you're
>>> > not
>>> >> > happy and you cancel and the equipment is proprietary like one big
>>> >> > alarmco's
>>> >> > is...you endup throwing it away.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > However, all that being said..you are really buying a relationship.
>> Do
>>> > you
>>> >> > like the guy? Did you get good recommendations from other people?
>>> >> > Do
>>> > they
>>> >> > seem like a company you can deal with?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > BTW, contacts don't have to be inforced. I let people slide all the
>>> >> > time...sometimes you have to, sometimes it just the right thing to
>>> >> > do
>>> > (not
>>> >> > enforce a clause) to keep a client happy. I DO enforce contracts
>>> >> > when
>>
>>> >> > someone hasn't paid me for a zillion months - thats fair I should
>> think
>>> >> > :-)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Mike" <wxyz09@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> >> > news:kN3Bf.30561$RK3.11160@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> > | Is there anything I should look out for in a contract?
>>> >> > |
>>> >> > | Mike
>>> >> > |
>>> >> > | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> >> > | news:LRYAf.84$Xi2.16083@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> > | > You as the buyer will most likely not be specifying anything in
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > | > contract.
>>> >> > | >
>>> >> > | >
>>> >> > | >
>>> >> > | >
>>> >> > | > "Mike" <wxyz09@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> >> > | > news:9NXAf.13300$jd5.8174@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> > | > | I'm looking for advice for a packaged home alarm system.
>>> >> > Would
>>> > like
>>> >> > | > advice
>>> >> > | > | for vendors, what I need to buy and what to avoid and advice
>>> >> > on
>>> > how
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > | > deak
>>> >> > | > | with vendors, eg what I nned to ask them and specify in a
>>> > contract.
>>> >> > | > |
>>> >> > | > | Thanks
>>> >> > | > |
>>> >> > | > | Mike
>>> >> > | > |
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