Re: EOL's

["Doug L" <vssdoug@xxxxxxx>]

Lets not forget his adventures in issuing rogue cancels


http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.usenet/msg/03eb056a8c685ccc?dmode=source&hl=en

http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.usenet/msg/a620027bab1f49ba?dmode=source&hl=en

http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.usenet/msg/510879a03ed45bb4?dmode=source&hl=en


Doug L

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"Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
> Al Colombo wrote:
>> They are not from what I'm told.  He might have a small case if he'd
>> have posted a copyright notice with his postings, but he didn't.
>>
>> Al
>
> I'll simply offer this post from Bass's past:
>
> From: ylshih@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Yin Lung Shih)
> Subject: Can we un-hijack this newsgroup?
> Message-ID: <69u7as$9o1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Organization: Caltech Alumni Association
> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
>
>
>
> I'm sorry to bring this up, but one Robert L. Bass with the
> original e-mail address of 'alarmist@xxxxxxxxxxxx' has recently
> taken actions out of spite with the apparent intent to destroy
> this newsgroup or blackmail it into submission.  These include:
>
> - Deliberately changing his e-mail address to get through
> newsgroup participants' kill filters.  Aliases noted so far
> include:  abc@xxxxxxxxxxx, Harry Haffer, Wally Waller, RLB,
> and others.  He has used about a half dozen aliases in about
> 48 hours
>
> - Pirating information compiled, edited, and mostly written by
> Gene Whitt and claiming it as first belonging to no one and now
> claiming that he has created a version which is owned by him
>
> - Retracting a promise to withdraw that pirated material and
> renewing his distribution attempts
>
> - Offering "peace" with one hand and a thrusting knife with the
> other to his detractors
>
> - Bombing the newsgroup with posts of this information, hundreds
> of KB at a time, despite prior warnings as to the consequences
> to news-servers
>
> - A threat to repeat this bombing periodically, and in fact an
> explicit statement by him that he is doing so to push the
> off-topic "flames" against him out of news-server buffers (so
> he knows what he is doing)
>
> - A threat to scan the AIM and FAR and post those in the future
>
> He claims to be doing these things in response to flames against
> him and because it is his "right".  Further he would stop if people
> stopped flaming him.  However, as a recent participant in these
> "flamewars", I perused past transactions and concluded that the
> forced departure of all the people he complains of, Ahrens,
> Laffer, and even myself (if 5 days, 3 in defense of Gene's rights,
> constitutes sufficient transgression against group sensibilities)
> would only lead to a new flurry of flames in short order with
> new participants.  He is some kind of wierd neurotic "moth" that
> both attracts flames and is attracted to flames.
>
> Since this is an unmoderated newsgroup there are a limited
> number of options:
>
> - Readers can object to his actions by copying his posts to
> their ISP and his ISP and hope that some action is taken by
> his ISP to kick him off or your ISP to reject posts from his
> ISP.  This means keeping up with e-mail address changes and
> ISP changes as he hops around at first, as he is likely to do.
>
> - Readers can ignore his actions, treat him as a pariah, and
> hope he goes away.  Note that his bombing the newsgroup and
> changing his e-mail address means that it will be impossible
> to ignore the consequences of his actions even if you ignore
> him.  And you won't be able to ignore him easily by kill-filing
> him anymore.  The newsgroup will function in a degraded fashion
> so long as he keeps this up.  (He knows this, which is why he
> is doing it.)  But perhaps enough patience will see him get
> tired of this spite tantrum and the newsgroup can return to its
> semi-debilitated state of waiting for another blow-up from him.
>
> - Apply pressure to his detractors to shut up and leave him
> alone.  I think this is a forlorn hope as it will only
> encourage him to be more outrageous and new detractors will
> arise with a repetition of these events at a later time.
>
> - This group can change to a moderated newsgroup.  This has
> limited success outlook as moderated groups tend to be sterile
> and activity rates are low.  It can also take several months
> to get the change implemented.
>
> - Those members of this group who are fed up can move to an
> e-mail reflector list.  This requires someone to set up and
> maintain a list, which is not very hard to do - I run one
> for a club and know how.  It is less efficient than a newsgroup
> since every post is replicated in a mailbox rather than on a
> new-server, also archiving is not so straightforward as through
> Dejanews.  On the other hand, I know of a ham-radio reflector
> which probably has over 1000 satisfied subscribers with no
> interest in "upgrading" to a newsgroup and the Mooney reflector
> probably has 100-150 subscribers.  A reflector is probably
> better than a moderated group as it doesn't require post by
> post approval, which is what slows moderated groups down, and
> can operate at e-mail speeds.  Of course, the only point of
> the list is to exclude RLB or anyone else who behaves in a
> continuously outrageous manner.  The list maintainer would
> have that power, and only he or his designees could do so.
> If the list maintainers abused that power then the list would
> eventually become sterile or worthless.  I don't see why that
> should be, but it is important to be up front about the
> trade-offs.
>
> - Quit the newsgroup, as many others have already done, in
> disgust.
>
> I can think of no other choices.
>
>
> Yin Shih, N9YS/6, PP-ASEL-IA, M20K
> ylshih@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>