Re: Keeping up with Cables in new installation

["R.H.Campbell" <rh.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't do any prewiring anymore; what I stated is in regards to full priced
alarm systems in which I have sold the panel to the client on day one - the
only way I sell.

Back when I had the time to do prewiring, I kept the wiring list for several
reasons. First, no one had paid me for it as you say. Second, if the client
eventually came to me, I found that the wiring list had often disappeared
for some inexplicable reason, which just made my job a bit longer. But
toning doesn't take very long for anyone to do.

These days, I go into a lot of new homes where the prewiring was done by a
company where the builder has a "sweetheart" deal with  another company
(usually an alarmco). There is never a wiring diagram there, even though the
empty can is installed, and they have their decals etc plastered all over
it. It seems at least locally, there is more money to be made doing
prewiring than installing the alarm itself. Most builders do a basic prewire
job....all doors, a couple of motions etc and charge the home buyer about
$1000 for this !!!!!  The alarmco either did it for $200 or sometimes for
nothing. And these builders won't allow other independant companies on site
quoting all sorts of made up reasons why not (the truth being of course,
their sweetheart deal with a local alarmco). Sometimes if the purchaser
knows enought to scream like crazy, the builder will relent, but not
often....

I usually take out their can and substitute the one that comes with the
panel. Anyone need a couple of hundred empty cans ??....:)))

RHC

"Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:9SIcf.11$9L.1314@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> The wirelist is mine unless I specifically state otherwise...like in a
> commercial job where schematics generally stay with the system and are
> part
> of the contract.
>
> In a house where we may just prewire only...IF I decide to make a wirelist
> it's on my dime and I keep it. IF the primecontractor wants to pay me to
> compile a wirelist or schematic thats a different situation, however they
> NEVER want to pay for it.
>
> I never trust anyone else's wirelists either, whenever I do a takeover or
> install on someone else's prewire I always ring it out and make my own
> list
> up...and remove all that shitty sticky masking tape or whatever the
> prewire
> company decided to write (if they did at all) wire locations on.
>
>
> "R.H.Campbell" <rh.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:He6dnT6eW8tSz-7eRVn-qQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | Yeah, that's worked for me over the years as well. Every can has my
> company
> | decal on it, plus two other labels -one giving all my calling
> information,
> | plus the second decal outlining what my monthly rate is and what it
> | includes.
> | Plus, inside, taped to the can cover is a complete wiring chart showing
> what
> | has been done and where all the wires go.
> |
> | If the customer comes back to me, great ! If he doesn't, then the next
> | company that has to service the panel has a complete record to go on
> saving
> | everyone time and money. I figure the wiring chart is only part of a
> proper
> | installation and belongs to the homeowner, same as the panel itself. The
> | decals belong to me and are always removed (a clause in my contract)
> |
> | Very rarely does the homeowner go elsewhere. If he does, it's usually
> become
> | of his having signed one of these abominable long term contracts in his
> | original house and now he's being blackmailed into taking their service
> | again in the new house.
> |
> | RHC
> |
> |
> | "Crash Gordon" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | news:aLHcf.5$le3.403@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > Ah! Most excellent idea!
> | >
> | >
> | > "Jim" <alarminex@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > news:1131594911.947899.156110@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > |
> | > | Crash Gordon wrote:
> | > | > Gray firewire?
> | > | >
> | > | > Ethical to keep records? I think so. I have records of every job
> I've
> | > ever
> | > | > done except for a few that got damaged by a roof leak. So what if
> they
> | > | > aren't your client currently...who knows how long they may stay
> with
> | > the
> | > | > other company..they might come back. I've had clients quit, go
> with
> | > another
> | > | > company the house gets sold to someone new, the new owner calls me
> | > because
> | > | > that's the decal still on the can...bada bing I get it back.
> Happens
> a
> | > lot.
> | > | >
> | > | > I don't believe in wirelists written in the can.
> | > |
> | > | Even though there's plenty of paper on the roll?
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
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