Re: ARE YOU REALLY BEING MONITORED? READ THIS

["Sonicduck" <jones1019@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

You are jumping to conclusions....as most of the chimps here
have...bare with me as I have with you...and my patience for insidious
comments is wearing thin...you said,"

Joe Lucia

Local: Fri, Nov 18 2005 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: ARE YOU REALLY BEING MONITORED?

Sonicduck wrote:
> To:  JSloud

> You said,"...First of all, ADT does not have humans dialing into alarm...

> My response:  First of all, I never said a human "dials into a system".
>  The human is the one sending a notification of failure, or making the
> phone call.

Central Stations might have an auto-dialer testing their own Receiver
llines.  Maybe you misheard the information you are giving?

Answer:  "possibly...but not likely...what i hear is what i heard.
Maybe the tech's or mypreferred name for imbeciles like you =
trogladites.  Maybe THEY had been informed wrong or misunderstood THEIR
training, and that is why a lot of systems are not functioning online,
even though the customer is paying right now, even as we speak."

Let's just pretend you were correct about the C/S calling your
customers panel to verify it was still there...  How does the customers
panel know it's the Central Station calling?  How many rings does it
answer after?  What does the customer hear during this "incoming call"?
 Wouldn't the customer hear their phone ring every day, possibly at 2am
while sleeping, and get a little irritated?  If you're going to stick
with your story, you are going to need to provide some details.

answer: "the customers HAVE told me they do hear an occasional half
ring, or a real quick ring and pickup every so often.  This ring COULD
be the test.  They have also reported talking on the phone, and the
line is taken over by a series of beeps and crap like that.  To a
trogladite, that should mean they MAY be getting anincoming test."

> 2nd:  You only mentioned commercial fire alarms, and the requirement to
> conduct a timer test.  What about the residential alarms?  Why did you
> purposely omit that little tidbit of information.

There are no "requirements" for residential.  I've seen mostly weekly
tests on residential accounts.

answer: "my point entirely...there are NO requirments for testing the
alarms.  There for, you may NOT be getting what you are paying for.
Period!  I know some that weren't online even though they thought they
were.  You just proved my point.

> 3rd:  A Brinks salesman once told a prospect that I was visiting that
> they did not need a cell backup.  The customer asked him why.  His
> response was, "because we willknow the moment your lines are cut or
> your system is offline.  I asked him if we could conduct a little test.
>  I took him to the panel, disconnected the phone line from the panel,
> and went back to my presentation.  Ten minutes passed, and no call.  20
> minutes passed and no call.  The 30 minues and finally before wrapping
> up the sale (and I did sell it), I told the customer that what I had
> done was disconnect the phone line, which was the same as a burgular
> cutting the lines.

Did you unplug the alarm from the RJ jack?  That's not like cutting the
line, that's just eliminating the alarm panel from the line.  There's a
difference.

answer:  In any case, are you disputing the need for cellular backup?
That is the point.  The Brinks salesman (he was a trogladite too) told
them they could receive an alarm signal EVEN if the lines where cut.
He lied.  Plain and simple.

>I told the customer that if the Brinks salesman was
> correct, then they should have gotten a phone call within a minute of
> the line being disconnected.  I also told the customer that in that
> half hour, The whole house could have been ransacked, and they could
> have been hurt.  They saw the light, and the lie.  But, I don;t know
> anything, huh?  right?

If they "saw the light" then it must have been you Wacking them on the
head.  Obviously if you had the phone line unplugged, and if it WAS
supervised the way the Brinks guy said (which it's not), then they
would have realized that the C/S couldn't call them to tell them the
phone line was out because THE PHONE LINE WAS UNPLUGGED!

answer:  "You just proved you ARE a TROGLADITE.  The Monitoring Center
should have still been able to call the customer.  I know from being a
salesrep, and you being ignorant, that we always had to have at least
two (not always, but most of the time at least two) emergency contacts.
 We always had toget their home, work, and CELLULAR phone numbers.  If
you are so damn smart, and I have more faith in the Central Monitoring
Center's ability to read the emergency contacts, why could THEY have
called the cell phone numbers for the emergency contacts.

Quit wasting OUR time with your stupidity.

You sound more and more like an un-informed SALES person and really
shouldn't be posting in a TECHNICAL forum.  Any non-professionals who
are looking for useful information should regard your post as a slimy
sales tactic.

answer:  I have proved through very thorough and knowlegable
information, that YOU ARE A TROGLADITE.  Happy Thanksgiving.  My guess
is that you are 48% body fat.  Am I right?  The other 52% is stupidity.
 The overall effect is that you are a TROGLADITE.

My apologies to those seeking knowledge.  That is not it.