Re: UL Required to get License

["Bob Worthy" <securinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> The point is the customer doesn't need to be UL listed to install *his
> own* fire alarm system.

Are you absolutely sure about that? Yes or No  will do.

 Since you're not UL listed (which is the
> obvious reason you've got such a burr in your butt over this),

The reason I am not a UL listed is by choice, however, the reason I have an
opinion about this is that the decision to mandated UL across the board is a
violation, by these muni's, when there has been an adoption of the NFPA
code, by the State of Florida and the Florida Building Code. The mandate is
a decision made, as policy by an individual, and not that of the public and
voted on as an ordinance. The decision is also made solely on the fact that
these cities are broke and cannot support the inspection process and believe
that it will be done by UL, as well as UL's claim that the certificate will
reduce false alarms. I don't see that happening. Now you say
 that all is forgiven if someone installs their own system. Do you even know
what the requirements of central station service are? Please give us your
definition.

> puts my DIY clients ahead of you.

You are an idiot if you truely believe that.

  They can install their own system in
> Miami yet you no longer can.

Wrong, and I have never had an interest of installing fire alarms in Miami
even before this mandate.

 If that annoys you, perhaps you should
> bring your company up to spec and get UL listed.

Why? I am already State Certified and the Statute, as well as the Florida
Building Code, states that no one can require any additional certification
of an already certified person or company.

  If you are unwilling
> or (more likely) incapable of doing so, that is no one's problem but
> your own.

Unwilling yes, incapable of, please. Have a couple of systems inspected and
write a check is all that is required. Go peddle your innuendos on someone
who cares.

> > What has changed in Miami, is that now, that electrician cannot install
that fire alarm system unless he is a UL listed installation company. He
cannot even take it in for
> permitting and plan review unless he is listed.
>
> Yet the building owner can do so and save a bundle of money in the
> process.  Isn't that nice?

Wrong again, as usual, bubble butt.