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Re: Re: xPL newbie (still!) needs help with xPL_HomeVision (detecting
variable chang
Hi Frank,
> Is xPL-HVISION reporting all the variables to xPL ???
No, just the one I've removed the exclude file...
However, each time ANY variable changes xPL_HomeVision has to request
ALL the variable vaues from HV, compare them against the previous
values and then (if not excluded etc.) report the change to xPL.
> I have found Periodic Loops set to every loop tend to clog down hv a
> lot......Are you using Periodic loops ,every loop ....??
No, not in this example - I was just suggesting it as the most
dramatic way to demonstrate the problem. In my senario, another
variable (not the variable I'm "watching") is being updated in a
timer
every 0.4 seconds.
Thanks,
Andy.
On 5/21/05, Frank Mc Alinden <frankmc@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Andy
> Is xPL-HVISION reporting all the variables to xPL ???
> I have found Periodic Loops set to every loop tend to clog down hv a
> lot......Are you using Periodic loops ,every loop ....??
> Frank
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Kilgore" <andrew.kilgore@xxxxxxx>
> To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPL newbie (still!) needs help with
> xPL_HomeVision (detecting variable chang
>
>
> > Hi Frank,
> >
> > I'm pretty sure my xPL/HV setup is fine - everything works, but
the
> > performance of the actual HV controller dramatically decreases
(in
> > some circumstances).
> >
> > The problem is simply due to the amount of work HV has to do
handling
> > DDE requests when a variable (or flag) gets updated so
frequently. My
> > understanding is that HV simply says "a variable has
changed" but
> > doesn't say which one. So, in order to detect which variables
have
> > changed, xPL_HomeVision has to request ALL the variable values
from HV
> > and compare them to the previous values. Doing this every 0.4
seconds
> > is just not feasible for HV and controller slows considerably,
such
> > that there is a noticable delay in responding to input ports
changing
> > etc.
> >
> > I think there could be a nice way to tackle this but it would
require
> > a change to xPL_HomeVision - I'll drop Steve a mail offlist and
see if
> > he thinks it's worth it.
> >
> > To test, try updating one of the variables you "watch"
in a periodic
> > event that runs every loop and then have a play with something
> > connected to HV input ports, say FirM.
> > What I observed was that the LED which used to change colour
every 0.4
> > seconds, now took ~3 seconds to change purely because HV was busy
> > handling DDE requests.
> >
> > Let me know how it goes... ;o)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Andy.
> >
> > On 5/21/05, Frank Mc Alinden <frankmc@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Hi Andy
> > > What exactly are you trying to achieve ...??
> > > I dont think the issue is having variable reporting being
> > > enabled...although
> > > might be an idea to to export your latest hv file and
create 2 new
> hvinput
> > > and hvexclude files and only exclude what you need
reporting on ???
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Andrew Kilgore"
<andrew.kilgore@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPL newbie (still!) needs help
with
> > > xPL_HomeVision (detecting variable chang
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Frank,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the tips - I'm certain they'll be very
useful...
> > > >
> > > > After all our hard work, it turns out that having HV
notify me of
> > > > variable changes will not work efficiently for me. As
a test I was
> > > > playing about with my immersion (momentary) switch
which starts a
> > > > timer for 0.4 seconds. Everytime the timer fires I
change the colour
> > > > of an LED and restart the timer. This continues until
the switch is
> > > > released. This worked fine but runs like a dog with
variable
> reporting
> > > > enabled (as the timer event sets a couple of
variables)
> > > >
> > > > :o(
> > > >
> > > > I'll have to think of another way round this - will
let you know what
> > > > I come up with...!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Andy.
> > > >
> > > > On 5/21/05, Frank Mc Alinden <frankmc@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
> > > > > Hi Andy
> > > > > Not sure if you are aware but if you
need to create a
> > > > > Determinator when a Particular event has
occurred ie change in
> > > variable
> > > ,
> > > > > if
> > > > > you highlite the reported message in xPL -Mon
and right click ,
> then
> > > select
> > > > > create a Determinator , this will automagically
create the input
> > > condition
> > > > > for your Determinator , you then only have to
create the Actions
> > > section
> > > > > of
> > > > > the Determinator...-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Also theres another option when you right click
, Populate a
> Global
> > > and
> > > > > this
> > > > > will allow you to save say the value of the
variable in to an xPL
> > > Global ,
> > > > > it requests which section of the message to
store in the Global (
> > > current=
> > > > > in this case) and then create the
Determinator...;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > The Determinator i wrote last nite captures a
hv periodic event
> > > "Vacancy
> > > > > Counter 2" which decrements a variable once
every 5 minutes if no
> > > movement
> > > > > or ir detected.....
> > > > >
> > > > > I have it displaying a message saying the
variable has changed and
> > > also
> > > > > the
> > > > > current value of the variable using the 2
Determinators mentioned
> > > > > above..........
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH
> > > > > Frank
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "fondlezz"
<amkilgore@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 11:47 AM
> > > > > Subject: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPL newbie (still!)
needs help with
> > > xPL_HomeVision
> > > > > (detecting variable chang
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Eureka!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I got it working just as your mail came
through...
> > > > > > I hadn't initially enabled the automatic
reporting of variables
> and
> > > > > > tried earler but this seemed to have no
effect. What I didn't
> > > realise
> > > > > > is that I needed to reload my schedule into
HV for this to take
> > > > > effect...!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's now working perfectly!
> > > > > > Thanks you so much for all your help! I
think (this time) I'm
> well
> > > on
> > > > > > my way to finally integrating xPL into my
setup.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now we can sleep!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Many thanks,
> > > > > > Andy.
> > > > > > --- In ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx, "Frank Mc
Alinden"
> <frankmc@i...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Andy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have enabled the DDE
message reporting........
> > > > > > > Also Under controller setting , pc
comms i also have Variables
> > > ticked
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > enable auto reporting...??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > xPL-HVISION setting which you
access via xPL devices in xPL
> > > > > > Manager , i
> > > > > > > have ddespeed set at 500 and lastsent
at 3 and assumeok set
> to
> > > > > Y.......
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > Frank
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "fondlezz"
<amkilgore@n...>
> > > > > > > To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 11:28 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [ukha_xpl] Re: xPL newbie
(still!) needs help with
> > > > > > xPL_HomeVision
> > > > > > > (detecting variable chang
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Frank,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks - I got it off the files
section...
> > > > > > > > Still same problem though... :o(
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So, I'm thinking the reason that
xPL_HomeVision doesn't
> detect
> > > the
> > > > > > > > change is bacuse HV isn't telling
it... I'm starting to
> think
> > > that
> > > > > > > > there's something not quite right
with my HV setup...
> > > > > > > > Did you have to change anything
other than enabling DDE
> > > > > > send/receive...?
> > > > > > > > What version of the HV software
are you running...?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Andy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx,
"Frank Mc Alinden"
> > > <frankmc@i...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Andy
> > > > > > > > > Have uploaded my
version to the files section
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > > > Frank
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Frank Mc
Alinden" <frankmc@i...>
> > > > > > > > > To: <ukha_xpl@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005
10:32 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ukha_xpl] Re:
xPL newbie (still!) needs help
> > > with
> > > > > > > > > xPL_HomeVision (detecting
variable chang
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Andy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Got the
following error when i sent you the
> > > > > > xPL-HVISION file
> > > > > > > > > >
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