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Use enclosures that have an option for neutral bus bars?
On 26 May 2015 at 11:57, Paul Gordon paul_gordon@xxxxxxx [ukha_d] <
ukha_d@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> As I go about installing CBUS modules, I'm always slightly frustrated
by
> the untidy spaghetti of wiring that results, despite my best efforts
to b=
e
> neat & tidy.
> the main problem is the number of commonned connections that need to
be
> made in close proximity to the module... Earths aren't so much a
problem,
> since there is always an earth buss-bar in any standard electrical
> enclosure. However, the Neutrals all typically need to be commonned up
as
> well...
>
> In the past I've used chocky-blocks, but I pretty much hate those...
ugly=
,
> awkward to use etc... more recently I've been using WAGO terminal
blocks
> like these:
> https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcSCbpKanS3Jh3CjIpC=
vLpkcLy5lTBf_whsi5CQW3ElVkunM6at7
>
> WAGO make a couple of varieties that are readily available here at my
> local suppliers, but all have some drawback... the lever type as per
the
> above linked image only go up to a 5-way... that is rarely enough... -
ev=
en
> for a 4-channel CBUS module there's usually 6 connections to make.
WAGO d=
o
> a 6-way block like this:
> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcR4YO7SWhVI4O6OgpZ=
J_ppJk1UweNqSTqeGl2DDRSxftJJtSpkS but
> this one has the disadvantage that they are rubbish with stranded
cable..
> the insertion force required means stranded usually just crumples up
in t=
he
> hole without forcing its way through the jaws of the clamp inside...
they
> really only work with solid T&E cable, but I don't always have the
option
> of using that inside the enclosure, as it depends on the appliance I'm
> wiring up to the module...
>
> And all of these still leave spaghetti as they end up hanging around
loos=
e
> inside the enclosure with half-a-dozen patch wires snaking off to
differe=
nt
> ends of the modules...
>
> There must be something better... what I'd really like is something
with
> as much capacity as you normally find on the Earth bus-bar, say 10 or
20
> wire terminals (and the ability to daisy-chain more bars to extend
that),
> and which can be fixed into place somewhere inside the enclosure...
perha=
ps
> a terminal block that can be DIN rail mounted next to the module
itself? =
is
> there such a thing?
>
> So come on folks... how you wire up mains HA modules & keep nice
tidy
> wiring?
>
> TIA
>
> Paul G.
>
>
>
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">As I go about installing CBUS modules,
I'm always slig=
htly frustrated by the untidy=C2=A0spaghetti of wiring that results,
despit=
e my best efforts to be neat=C2=A0& tidy. <br>the main
problem is the n=
umber of commonned connections that need to be made in close proximity to
t=
he module... Earths aren't so much a problem, since there is always
an =
earth buss-bar in any standard electrical enclosure. However, the Neutrals
=
all typically need to be commonned up as
well...<br>=C2=A0<br>In the past I=
've used chocky-blocks, but I pretty much hate those... ugly,
awkward t=
o use etc... more recently I've been using WAGO terminal blocks
like th=
ese: <a href=3D"https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcSCb=
pKanS3Jh3CjIpCvLpkcLy5lTBf_whsi5CQW3ElVkunM6at7"
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couple of varieties th=
at are readily available here at my local suppliers, but all have some
draw=
back... the lever type as per the above linked image only go up to a
5-way.=
.. that is rarely enough... - even for a 4-channel CBUS module
there's =
usually 6 connections to make. WAGO do a 6-way block like this: <a
href=3D"=
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcR4YO7SWhVI4O6OgpZJ_=
ppJk1UweNqSTqeGl2DDRSxftJJtSpkS" target=3D"_blank">https://encrypted-tbn0.g=
static.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcR4YO7SWhVI4O6OgpZJ_ppJk1UweNqSTqeGl2DDRSxft=
JJtSpkS</a>=C2=A0but this one has the disadvantage that they are
rubbish wi=
th stranded cable.. the insertion force required means stranded usually
jus=
t crumples up in the hole without forcing its way through the jaws of the
c=
lamp inside... they really only work with solid T&E cable, but I
don=
9;t always have the option of using that inside the enclosure, as it
depend=
s on the appliance I'm wiring up to the
module...<br>=C2=A0<br>And all =
of these still leave spaghetti as they end up hanging around loose inside
t=
he enclosure with half-a-dozen patch wires snaking off to different ends
of=
the modules...<br>=C2=A0<br>There must be something better...
what I'd=
really like is something with as much capacity as you normally find on the=
Earth bus-bar, say 10 or 20 wire terminals (and the ability to daisy-chain=
more bars to extend that), and which can be fixed into place somewhere ins=
ide the enclosure... perhaps a terminal block that can be DIN rail mounted
=
next to the module itself? is there such a
thing?<br>=C2=A0<br>So come on f=
olks... how you wire up mains HA modules & keep nice tidy
wiring?<br>=
=C2=A0<br>TIA<br>=C2=A0<br>Paul
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