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Hi Paul,
I can't quite picture how you think they mount, but this picture gives an
idea. The lower row, with beige terminals, are like the ones I linked to
earlier.
<
http://setsail.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/fpb-64-electrics-jan-24-10-20=
6.jpg
>
You do need a bit of space either side of the terminals for the wiring -
but then you can access both sides of the strip to get double the
connections.
The wires in that image are captured / managed in "raceway"
(shown with
lids removed).
I do like the ones you found on RS though, nice and simple!
Cheers,
Tim.
On 26 May 2015 at 15:39, Paul Gordon paul_gordon@xxxxxxx [ukha_d] <
ukha_d@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Tim.
>
> I also found this range just now:
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/commoning-blocks/3882833/?origin=3DPSF_4357=
86alt
>
> Looks like (from what I can see of the mounting clips on the back)
these
> appear to mount horizontally on the DIN rail, such that cable entry is
fr=
om
> the bottom... which kinda takes up way more space than if there were
one
> just like this which mounted vertically... they also do 8-way in
non-DIN
> mounting flavour, which gives me enough ways, but doesn't do very much
to
> aid my spaghetti in the enclosure problem... unless they could perhaps
be
> panel mounted...
>
> P.
> ------------------------------
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 14:01:04 +0100
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] What do people use for terminal blocks in Node
0?
>
>
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> In industrial control panels you'd typically use something like these:
>
> https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=3Dwcm%3apath%3=
a/gben/web/main/products/subcategory_pages/Installation_terminal_blocks_P-1=
5-01-06/ff4c4ab3-7bac-430c-bdd1-46cfa5b5f3e2
> <https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=3Dwcm:path:/g=
ben/web/main/products/subcategory_pages/Installation_terminal_blocks_P-15-0=
1-06/ff4c4ab3-7bac-430c-bdd1-46cfa5b5f3e2>
> or these, which are smaller:
>
> https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=3Dwcm%3apath%3=
a/gben/web/main/products/subcategory_pages/Mini_and_micro_terminal_blocks_P=
-15-01-10/5ebbe9ed-a249-41bd-ac1c-20313e51a149
> <https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=3Dwcm:path:/g=
ben/web/main/products/subcategory_pages/Mini_and_micro_terminal_blocks_P-15=
-01-10/5ebbe9ed-a249-41bd-ac1c-20313e51a149>
>
> You can get accessories which allow several blocks to be
> commoned-together. If you were really tight for space I guess you
could u=
se
> a combination of these, and the lever WAGOs you linked to before (I've
us=
ed
> those WAGOs in the past too :) )
>
> Some alternatives to the Phoenix Contact blocks here too:
>
> http://cpc.farnell.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?st=3Dscrew+termin=
als&catalogId=3D15002&categoryId=3D700000031004&langId=3D69&storeId=3D10180
> and these from Weidmuller:
>
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/connectors/terminal-blocks-din-rail-termina=
ls/non-fused-din-rail-terminals/?searchTerm=3Dweidmuller+terminals
>
> HTH,
> Tim.
>
> On 26 May 2015 at 12:01, Paul Gordon paul_gordon@xxxxxxx [ukha_d] <
> ukha_d@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>
> And I should have added, I need a connector that can take a mix of
cable
> diameters & stranded/solid core all in the same block, and if DIN
rail
> mounted, really can't use up too many "ways" - I usually
only have a coup=
le
> of spare DIN slots after mounting the module and MCB's...
>
> Cheers.
>
> Paul G.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 11:57:27 +0100
> Subject: [ukha_d] What do people use for terminal blocks in Node 0?
>
>
>
>
> As I go about installing CBUS modules, I'm always slightly frustrated
by
> the untidy spaghetti of wiring that results, despite my best efforts
to b=
e
> neat & tidy.
> the main problem is the number of commonned connections that need to
be
> made in close proximity to the module... Earths aren't so much a
problem,
> since there is always an earth buss-bar in any standard electrical
> enclosure. However, the Neutrals all typically need to be commonned up
as
> well...
>
> In the past I've used chocky-blocks, but I pretty much hate those...
ugly=
,
> awkward to use etc... more recently I've been using WAGO terminal
blocks
> like these:
> https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcSCbpKanS3Jh3CjIpC=
vLpkcLy5lTBf_whsi5CQW3ElVkunM6at7
>
> WAGO make a couple of varieties that are readily available here at my
> local suppliers, but all have some drawback... the lever type as per
the
> above linked image only go up to a 5-way... that is rarely enough... -
ev=
en
> for a 4-channel CBUS module there's usually 6 connections to make.
WAGO d=
o
> a 6-way block like this:
> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcR4YO7SWhVI4O6OgpZ=
J_ppJk1UweNqSTqeGl2DDRSxftJJtSpkS but
> this one has the disadvantage that they are rubbish with stranded
cable..
> the insertion force required means stranded usually just crumples up
in t=
he
> hole without forcing its way through the jaws of the clamp inside...
they
> really only work with solid T&E cable, but I don't always have the
option
> of using that inside the enclosure, as it depends on the appliance I'm
> wiring up to the module...
>
> And all of these still leave spaghetti as they end up hanging around
loos=
e
> inside the enclosure with half-a-dozen patch wires snaking off to
differe=
nt
> ends of the modules...
>
> There must be something better... what I'd really like is something
with
> as much capacity as you normally find on the Earth bus-bar, say 10 or
20
> wire terminals (and the ability to daisy-chain more bars to extend
that),
> and which can be fixed into place somewhere inside the enclosure...
perha=
ps
> a terminal block that can be DIN rail mounted next to the module
itself? =
is
> there such a thing?
>
> So come on folks... how you wire up mains HA modules & keep nice
tidy
> wiring?
>
> TIA
>
> Paul G.
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi
Paul,<div><br></div><div>I can't quite
picture how =
you think they mount, but this picture gives an idea. The lower row, with
b=
eige terminals, are like the ones I linked to
earlier.<br></div><div><<a=
href=3D"http://setsail.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/fpb-64-electrics-jan=
-24-10-206.jpg">http://setsail.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/fpb-64-electr=
ics-jan-24-10-206.jpg</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div>You
do need a bi=
t of space either side of the terminals for the wiring - but then you can
a=
ccess both sides of the strip to get double the
connections.</div><div>The =
wires in that image are captured / managed in "raceway"
(shown wi=
th lids removed).</div><div><br></div><div>I
do like the ones you found on =
RS though, nice and
simple!</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Tim.=
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">On 26 May 2015 at 15:39, Paul Gordon
<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:paul_gordon@xxxxxxx">paul_gordon@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d]
<span di=
r=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target=3D"_blank">u=
kha_d@xxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote
class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1e=
x">
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
<div>
<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks Tim.<br>=C2=A0<br>I
also found this=C2=A0range just=
now: <a href=3D"http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/commoning-blocks/3882833/?or=
igin=3DPSF_435786%7Calt" target=3D"_blank">http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/co=
mmoning-blocks/3882833/?origin=3DPSF_435786alt</a><br>=C2=A0<br>Looks
like=
(from what I can see of the mounting clips on the back) these appear to mo=
unt horizontally on the DIN rail, such that cable entry is from the
bottom.=
.. which kinda takes up way more space than if there were one just like
thi=
s which mounted vertically... they also do 8-way in non-DIN mounting
flavou=
r, which gives me enough ways, but doesn't do very much to aid my
spagh=
etti in the enclosure problem... unless they could perhaps be panel
mounted=
...<br>=C2=A0<br>P.<br><div><span
class=3D""><hr>To: <a href=3D"mailto:ukha=
_d@xxxxxxx"
target=3D"_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a><br>From:
<=
a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target=3D"_blank">ukha_d@yahoogrou=
ps.com</a><br></span>Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 14:01:04
+0100<br>Subject: Re: =
[ukha_d] What do people use for terminal blocks in Node
0?<div><div class=
=3D"h5"><br><br>
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi
Paul,<div><br></div><div>In industrial control
panels y=
ou'd typically use something like
these:</div><div><a href=3D"https://w=
ww.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=3Dwcm:path:/gben/web/=
main/products/subcategory_pages/Installation_terminal_blocks_P-15-01-06/ff4=
c4ab3-7bac-430c-bdd1-46cfa5b5f3e2" target=3D"_blank">https://www.phoenixcon=
tact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=3Dwcm%3apath%3a/gben/web/main/prod=
ucts/subcategory_pages/Installation_terminal_blocks_P-15-01-06/ff4c4ab3-7ba=
c-430c-bdd1-46cfa5b5f3e2</a><br></div><div>or
these, which are smaller:</di=
v><div><a href=3D"https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&=
urile=3Dwcm:path:/gben/web/main/products/subcategory_pages/Mini_and_micro_t=
erminal_blocks_P-15-01-10/5ebbe9ed-a249-41bd-ac1c-20313e51a149"
target=3D"_=
blank">https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=3Dwcm=
%3apath%3a/gben/web/main/products/subcategory_pages/Mini_and_micro_terminal=
_blocks_P-15-01-10/5ebbe9ed-a249-41bd-ac1c-20313e51a149</a><br></div><div><=
br></div><div>You can get accessories which allow several
blocks to be comm=
oned-together. If you were really tight for space I guess you could use a
c=
ombination of these, and the lever WAGOs you linked to before (I've
use=
d those WAGOs in the past too :)
)</div><div><br></div><div>Some alternativ=
es to the Phoenix Contact blocks here too:</div><div><a
href=3D"http://cpc.=
farnell.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?st=3Dscrew+terminals&catal=
ogId=3D15002&categoryId=3D700000031004&langId=3D69&storeId=3D10=
180" target=3D"_blank">http://cpc.farnell.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Sea=
rch?st=3Dscrew+terminals&catalogId=3D15002&categoryId=3D70000003100=
4&langId=3D69&storeId=3D10180</a><br></div><div>and
these from Weid=
muller:</div><div><a href=3D"http://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/connectors/termi=
nal-blocks-din-rail-terminals/non-fused-din-rail-terminals/?searchTerm=3Dwe=
idmuller+terminals" target=3D"_blank">http://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/connect=
ors/terminal-blocks-din-rail-terminals/non-fused-din-rail-terminals/?search=
Term=3Dweidmuller+terminals</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>HTH,</div><div=
>Tim.</div><div><br><div>On 26 May 2015 at
12:01, Paul Gordon <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:paul_gordon@xxxxxxx"
target=3D"_blank">paul_gordon@xxxxxxx</a>=
[ukha_d] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a>></span>
wrote:<br><blockquot=
e
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=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
<div>
<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">And I should have added, I need a
connector that can take =
a mix of cable diameters & stranded/solid core all in the same
block, a=
nd if DIN rail mounted, really can't use up too many
"ways"=
=C2=A0- I usually only have a couple of spare DIN slots
after=C2=A0mounting=
the module and
MCB's...<br>=C2=A0<br>Cheers.<br>=C2=A0<br>Paul
G.<br><=
br>=C2=A0<br><div><hr>To: <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx"; target=
=3D"_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a><br>From: <a
href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@ya=
hoogroups.com"
target=3D"_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a><br>Date: Tue,
2=
6 May 2015 11:57:27 +0100<br>Subject: [ukha_d] What do people use for
termi=
nal blocks in Node 0?<div><div><br><br>
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">As I go about installing CBUS modules,
I'm always slig=
htly frustrated by the untidy=C2=A0spaghetti of wiring that results,
despit=
e my best efforts to be neat=C2=A0& tidy. <br>the main
problem is the n=
umber of commonned connections that need to be made in close proximity to
t=
he module... Earths aren't so much a problem, since there is always
an =
earth buss-bar in any standard electrical enclosure. However, the Neutrals
=
all typically need to be commonned up as
well...<br>=C2=A0<br>In the past I=
've used chocky-blocks, but I pretty much hate those... ugly,
awkward t=
o use etc... more recently I've been using WAGO terminal blocks
like th=
ese: <a href=3D"https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcSCb=
pKanS3Jh3CjIpCvLpkcLy5lTBf_whsi5CQW3ElVkunM6at7"
target=3D"_blank">https://=
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcSCbpKanS3Jh3CjIpCvLpkcLy5lT=
Bf_whsi5CQW3ElVkunM6at7</a><br>=C2=A0<br>WAGO make a
couple of varieties th=
at are readily available here at my local suppliers, but all have some
draw=
back... the lever type as per the above linked image only go up to a
5-way.=
.. that is rarely enough... - even for a 4-channel CBUS module
there's =
usually 6 connections to make. WAGO do a 6-way block like this: <a
href=3D"=
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcR4YO7SWhVI4O6OgpZJ_=
ppJk1UweNqSTqeGl2DDRSxftJJtSpkS" target=3D"_blank">https://encrypted-tbn0.g=
static.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcR4YO7SWhVI4O6OgpZJ_ppJk1UweNqSTqeGl2DDRSxft=
JJtSpkS</a>=C2=A0but this one has the disadvantage that they are
rubbish wi=
th stranded cable.. the insertion force required means stranded usually
jus=
t crumples up in the hole without forcing its way through the jaws of the
c=
lamp inside... they really only work with solid T&E cable, but I
don=
9;t always have the option of using that inside the enclosure, as it
depend=
s on the appliance I'm wiring up to the
module...<br>=C2=A0<br>And all =
of these still leave spaghetti as they end up hanging around loose inside
t=
he enclosure with half-a-dozen patch wires snaking off to different ends
of=
the modules...<br>=C2=A0<br>There must be something better...
what I'd=
really like is something with as much capacity as you normally find on the=
Earth bus-bar, say 10 or 20 wire terminals (and the ability to daisy-chain=
more bars to extend that), and which can be fixed into place somewhere ins=
ide the enclosure... perhaps a terminal block that can be DIN rail mounted
=
next to the module itself? is there such a
thing?<br>=C2=A0<br>So come on f=
olks... how you wire up mains HA modules & keep nice tidy
wiring?<br>=
=C2=A0<br>TIA<br>=C2=A0<br>Paul
G.</div></div></div></div></div></div></blo=
ckquote></div></div></div>
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