[Message Prev][Message
Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Message
Index][Thread Index]
Re: What do people use for terminal blocks in Node 0?
--001a11c262681cc4c90516fbb89c
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hi Paul,
In industrial control panels you'd typically use something like these:
https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=wcm%3apath%3a/gben/web/main/products/subcategory_pages/Installation_terminal_blocks_P-15-01-06/ff4c4ab3-7bac-430c-bdd1-46cfa5b5f3e2
or these, which are smaller:
https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=wcm%3apath%3a/gben/web/main/products/subcategory_pages/Mini_and_micro_terminal_blocks_P-15-01-10/5ebbe9ed-a249-41bd-ac1c-20313e51a149
You can get accessories which allow several blocks to be commoned-together.
If you were really tight for space I guess you could use a combination of
these, and the lever WAGOs you linked to before (I've used those WAGOs in
the past too :) )
Some alternatives to the Phoenix Contact blocks here too:
http://cpc.farnell.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?st=screw+terminals&catalogId=15002&categoryId=700000031004&langId=69&storeId=10180
and these from Weidmuller:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/connectors/terminal-blocks-din-rail-terminals/non-fused-din-rail-terminals/?searchTerm=weidmuller+terminals
HTH,
Tim.
On 26 May 2015 at 12:01, Paul Gordon paul_gordon@xxxxxxx [ukha_d] <
ukha_d@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> And I should have added, I need a connector that can take a mix of
cable
> diameters & stranded/solid core all in the same block, and if DIN
rail
> mounted, really can't use up too many "ways" - I usually
only have a couple
> of spare DIN slots after mounting the module and MCB's...
>
> Cheers.
>
> Paul G.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 11:57:27 +0100
> Subject: [ukha_d] What do people use for terminal blocks in Node 0?
>
>
>
>
> As I go about installing CBUS modules, I'm always slightly frustrated
by
> the untidy spaghetti of wiring that results, despite my best efforts
to be
> neat & tidy.
> the main problem is the number of commonned connections that need to
be
> made in close proximity to the module... Earths aren't so much a
problem,
> since there is always an earth buss-bar in any standard electrical
> enclosure. However, the Neutrals all typically need to be commonned up
as
> well...
>
> In the past I've used chocky-blocks, but I pretty much hate those...
ugly,
> awkward to use etc... more recently I've been using WAGO terminal
blocks
> like these:
> https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSCbpKanS3Jh3CjIpCvLpkcLy5lTBf_whsi5CQW3ElVkunM6at7
>
> WAGO make a couple of varieties that are readily available here at my
> local suppliers, but all have some drawback... the lever type as per
the
> above linked image only go up to a 5-way... that is rarely enough... -
even
> for a 4-channel CBUS module there's usually 6 connections to make.
WAGO do
> a 6-way block like this:
> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR4YO7SWhVI4O6OgpZJ_ppJk1UweNqSTqeGl2DDRSxftJJtSpkS
but
> this one has the disadvantage that they are rubbish with stranded
cable..
> the insertion force required means stranded usually just crumples up
in the
> hole without forcing its way through the jaws of the clamp inside...
they
> really only work with solid T&E cable, but I don't always have the
option
> of using that inside the enclosure, as it depends on the appliance I'm
> wiring up to the module...
>
> And all of these still leave spaghetti as they end up hanging around
loose
> inside the enclosure with half-a-dozen patch wires snaking off to
different
> ends of the modules...
>
> There must be something better... what I'd really like is something
with
> as much capacity as you normally find on the Earth bus-bar, say 10 or
20
> wire terminals (and the ability to daisy-chain more bars to extend
that),
> and which can be fixed into place somewhere inside the enclosure...
perhaps
> a terminal block that can be DIN rail mounted next to the module
itself? is
> there such a thing?
>
> So come on folks... how you wire up mains HA modules & keep nice
tidy
> wiring?
>
> TIA
>
> Paul G.
>
--001a11c262681cc4c90516fbb89c
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<head>
<style type=3D"text/css">
<!--
/* start of attachment style */
.ygrp-photo-title{
clear: both;
font-size: smaller;
height: 15px;
overflow: hidden;
text-align: center;
width: 75px;
}
div.ygrp-photo{
background-position: center;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-color: white;
border: 1px solid black;
height: 62px;
width: 62px;
}
div.photo-title=20
a,
div.photo-title a:active,
div.photo-title a:hover,
div.photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration: none;=20
}
div.attach-table div.attach-row {
clear: both;
}
div.attach-table div.attach-row div {
float: left;
/* margin: 2px;*/
}
p {
clear: both;
padding: 15px 0 3px 0;
overflow: hidden;
}
div.ygrp-file {
width: 30px;
valign: middle;
}
div.attach-table div.attach-row div div a {
text-decoration: none;
}
div.attach-table div.attach-row div div span {
font-weight: normal;
}
div.ygrp-file-title {
font-weight: bold;
}
/* end of attachment style */
-->
</style>
</head>
<html>
<head>
<style type=3D"text/css">
<!--
#ygrp-mkp {
border: 1px solid #d8d8d8;
font-family: Arial;
margin: 10px 0;
padding: 0 10px;
}
#ygrp-mkp hr {
border: 1px solid #d8d8d8;
}
#ygrp-mkp #hd {
color: #628c2a;
font-size: 85%;
font-weight: 700;
line-height: 122%;
margin: 10px 0;
}
#ygrp-mkp #ads {
margin-bottom: 10px;
}
#ygrp-mkp .ad {
padding: 0 0;
}
#ygrp-mkp .ad p {
margin: 0;
}
#ygrp-mkp .ad a {
color: #0000ff;
text-decoration: none;
}
-->
</style>
</head>
<body>
<!-- **begin egp html banner** -->
<br><br>
<!-- **end egp html banner** -->
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi
Paul,<div><br></div><div>In industrial control
panels y=
ou'd typically use something like
these:</div><div><a href=3D"https://w=
ww.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=3Dwcm%3apath%3a/gben/=
web/main/products/subcategory_pages/Installation_terminal_blocks_P-15-01-06=
/ff4c4ab3-7bac-430c-bdd1-46cfa5b5f3e2">https://www.phoenixcontact.com/onlin=
e/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=3Dwcm%3apath%3a/gben/web/main/products/subcatego=
ry_pages/Installation_terminal_blocks_P-15-01-06/ff4c4ab3-7bac-430c-bdd1-46=
cfa5b5f3e2</a><br></div><div>or these, which are
smaller:</div><div><a href=
=3D"https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=3Dwcm%3a=
path%3a/gben/web/main/products/subcategory_pages/Mini_and_micro_terminal_bl=
ocks_P-15-01-10/5ebbe9ed-a249-41bd-ac1c-20313e51a149">https://www.phoenixco=
ntact.com/online/portal/gb?1dmy&urile=3Dwcm%3apath%3a/gben/web/main/pro=
ducts/subcategory_pages/Mini_and_micro_terminal_blocks_P-15-01-10/5ebbe9ed-=
a249-41bd-ac1c-20313e51a149</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>You
can get ac=
cessories which allow several blocks to be commoned-together. If you were
r=
eally tight for space I guess you could use a combination of these, and
the=
lever WAGOs you linked to before (I've used those WAGOs in the past
to=
o :) )</div><div><br></div><div>Some
alternatives to the Phoenix Contact bl=
ocks here too:</div><div><a href=3D"http://cpc.farnell.com/webapp/wcs/store=
s/servlet/Search?st=3Dscrew+terminals&catalogId=3D15002&categoryId=
=3D700000031004&langId=3D69&storeId=3D10180">http://cpc.farnell.com=
/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?st=3Dscrew+terminals&catalogId=3D1500=
2&categoryId=3D700000031004&langId=3D69&storeId=3D10180</a><br>=
</div><div>and these from
Weidmuller:</div><div><a href=3D"http://uk.rs-onl=
ine.com/web/c/connectors/terminal-blocks-din-rail-terminals/non-fused-din-r=
ail-terminals/?searchTerm=3Dweidmuller+terminals">http://uk.rs-online.com/w=
eb/c/connectors/terminal-blocks-din-rail-terminals/non-fused-din-rail-termi=
nals/?searchTerm=3Dweidmuller+terminals</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>HT=
H,</div><div>Tim.</div><div
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On 26 May 2015 at 12:01, Paul Gordon <a href=3D"mailto:paul_gordon@ho=
tmail.com">paul_gordon@xxxxxxx</a> [ukha_d] <span
dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx"
target=3D"_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
om</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
<div>
<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">And I should have added, I need a
connector that can take =
a mix of cable diameters & stranded/solid core all in the same
block, a=
nd if DIN rail mounted, really can't use up too many
"ways"=
=C2=A0- I usually only have a couple of spare DIN slots
after=C2=A0mounting=
the module and
MCB's...<br>=C2=A0<br>Cheers.<br>=C2=A0<br>Paul
G.<br><=
br>=C2=A0<br><div><hr>To: <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx" target=
=3D"_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a><br>From: <a
href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@ya=
hoogroups.com"
target=3D"_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a><br>Date: Tue,
2=
6 May 2015 11:57:27 +0100<br>Subject: [ukha_d] What do people use for
termi=
nal blocks in Node 0?<div><div
class=3D"h5"><br><br>
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">As I go about installing CBUS modules,
I'm always slig=
htly frustrated by the untidy=C2=A0spaghetti of wiring that results,
despit=
e my best efforts to be neat=C2=A0& tidy. <br>the main
problem is the n=
umber of commonned connections that need to be made in close proximity to
t=
he module... Earths aren't so much a problem, since there is always
an =
earth buss-bar in any standard electrical enclosure. However, the Neutrals
=
all typically need to be commonned up as
well...<br>=C2=A0<br>In the past I=
've used chocky-blocks, but I pretty much hate those... ugly,
awkward t=
o use etc... more recently I've been using WAGO terminal blocks
like th=
ese: <a href=3D"https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcSCb=
pKanS3Jh3CjIpCvLpkcLy5lTBf_whsi5CQW3ElVkunM6at7"
target=3D"_blank">https://=
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcSCbpKanS3Jh3CjIpCvLpkcLy5lT=
Bf_whsi5CQW3ElVkunM6at7</a><br>=C2=A0<br>WAGO make a
couple of varieties th=
at are readily available here at my local suppliers, but all have some
draw=
back... the lever type as per the above linked image only go up to a
5-way.=
.. that is rarely enough... - even for a 4-channel CBUS module
there's =
usually 6 connections to make. WAGO do a 6-way block like this: <a
href=3D"=
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcR4YO7SWhVI4O6OgpZJ_=
ppJk1UweNqSTqeGl2DDRSxftJJtSpkS" target=3D"_blank">https://encrypted-tbn0.g=
static.com/images?q=3Dtbn:ANd9GcR4YO7SWhVI4O6OgpZJ_ppJk1UweNqSTqeGl2DDRSxft=
JJtSpkS</a>=C2=A0but this one has the disadvantage that they are
rubbish wi=
th stranded cable.. the insertion force required means stranded usually
jus=
t crumples up in the hole without forcing its way through the jaws of the
c=
lamp inside... they really only work with solid T&E cable, but I
don=
9;t always have the option of using that inside the enclosure, as it
depend=
s on the appliance I'm wiring up to the
module...<br>=C2=A0<br>And all =
of these still leave spaghetti as they end up hanging around loose inside
t=
he enclosure with half-a-dozen patch wires snaking off to different ends
of=
the modules...<br>=C2=A0<br>There must be something better...
what I'd=
really like is something with as much capacity as you normally find on the=
Earth bus-bar, say 10 or 20 wire terminals (and the ability to daisy-chain=
more bars to extend that), and which can be fixed into place somewhere ins=
ide the enclosure... perhaps a terminal block that can be DIN rail mounted
=
next to the module itself? is there such a
thing?<br>=C2=A0<br>So come on f=
olks... how you wire up mains HA modules & keep nice tidy
wiring?<br>=
=C2=A0<br>TIA<br>=C2=A0<br>Paul
G.</div></div></div></div></div></div></blo=
ckquote></div></div></div>
<!-- **begin egp html banner** -->
<br>
<br>
<!-- **end egp html banner** -->
<div width=3D"1" style=3D"color: white; clear:
both;"/>__._,_.___</div>
=20=20=20=20=20=20
=20=20
=20=20=20=20
<div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"clear:both; margin-top:
10px;">
<hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; backgroun=
d-color:#E3E3E3;">
Posted by: Tim Hawes <timsyahoo@xxxxxxx> <hr =
style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3;
background-color:#E3E3=
E3;">
</div>
<!-- Start Recommendations -->
<!-- End Recommendations -->
<!-- **begin egp html banner** -->
<br><br>
<tt>
<*> Join the Automated Home Forums<BR>
<a href=3D"http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/vbulleti=
n/">http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/vbulletin/</a><BR>
<BR>
<*> UKHA_D Mailing list in association with:<BR>
<a href=3D"http://www.automatedhome.co.uk">http://=
www.automatedhome.co.uk</a><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</tt>
<br><br>
<!-- **end egp html banner** -->
<!-- **begin egp html banner** -->
<img src=3D"http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=3D97476590/grpId=3D1109639/grpspI=
d=3D1705041992/msgId=3D165335/stime=3D1432645267"
width=3D"1" height=3D"1">=
<br>
<!-- **end egp html banner** -->
=20=20
<!-- **begin egp html banner** -->
<br>
=20=20=20
=20=20=20=20=20
=20
<!-- **begin egp html banner** -->
<div id=3D"ygrp-vital" style=3D"background-color:
#f2f2f2; font-fam=
ily: Verdana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding:
10px;">
<span id=3D"vithd" style=3D"font-weight: bold; color:
#333; text-tr=
ansform: uppercase; "><a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ukha_d=
/info;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJlNHM2dmJiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzExMDk2MzkEZ3Jwc3BJZA=
MxNzA1MDQxOTkyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTQzMjY0NTI2Nw--"
style=3D"te=
xt-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a></span>
<ul style=3D"list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display:
in=
line;">
</ul>
</div>
<div id=3D"ft" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size:
11px; margin-top: 5p=
x; padding: 0 2px 0 0; clear: both;">
<a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJkcjFrMTVjBF9TAzk3ND=
c2NTkwBGdycElkAzExMDk2MzkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDQxOTkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzd=
GltZQMxNDMyNjQ1MjY3" style=3D"float: left;"><img
src=3D"http://l.yimg.com/r=
u/static/images/yg/img/email/new_logo/logo-groups-137x15.png"
height=3D"15"=
width=3D"137" alt=3D"Yahoo! Groups"
style=3D"border: 0;"/></a>
<div style=3D"color: #747575; float: right;"> •
<a href=3D"https://i=
nfo.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html"
style=3D"text-decoratio=
n: none;">Privacy</a> • <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d-unsubscribe@yahoogrou=
ps.com?subject=3DUnsubscribe" style=3D"text-decoration:
none;">Unsubscribe<=
/a> • <a href=3D"https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/"
st=
yle=3D"text-decoration: none;">Terms of Use</a>
</div>
</div>
<!-- **end egp html banner** -->
</div> <!-- ygrp-msg -->
=20=20=20
<br>
<!-- **end egp html banner** -->
<div style=3D"color: white; clear:
both;"/>__,_._,___</div>
</body>
</html>
--001a11c262681cc4c90516fbb89c--
UKHA_D Main Index |
UKHA_D Thread Index |
UKHA_D Home |
Archives Home
|