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Hi Paul,
>
> Sorry but IMHO -
>
> If there is enough potential to cause a wake up, then I'd worry.
Presumin=
g
> that you are on an electrical supply that is PME.
>
> I appreciate that if I splash between them then I trip the RCD, But
the
> neutral should be prettry much the same voltage as the earth. Yes it
can =
go
> live if the neutral downstream lifts. but that's hardly a usual
situation=
.
>
> I have bare neutrals and earths in my two nodes. I do some work live,
but
> only ELV. but do tend to isolate more often than not, even when on the
12=
v
> side - just in case of putting 240v up the 12v side - the inputs,
databu=
s
> wiring etc.. The consumer unit that I used are 54 way hagars, come
with
> bare neutral blocks.
>
> I have seen some insulated ones, but they are like rocking horse do.
>
> I use Idratek dimmers etc, but I'm not aware of that much difference
in
> how they are connected. Ironically I use the pink Cbus cable for the
> dataside due to the sheath rating.
>
> Cheers
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> On 27 May 2015 at 09:13, Paul Gordon paul_gordon@xxxxxxx [ukha_d] <
> ukha_d@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hmm... interesting... certainly compact enough, certainly has
enough
>> connection points...
>>
>> I have reservations about using a completely non-insulated bussbar
for
>> neutral connections though.... there tends to be quite a bit of
'hands o=
n'
>> working inside the enclosure when installing CBUS modules... I
tend to d=
o a
>> lot of it 'hot' - especially if/when I'm going back to a
previously
>> installed module to add an additional appliance to a previously
unused
>> channel on a module... In a small enclosure where everything is
quite
>> tightly packed in, with an exposed earth bussbar, *and* an exposed
neutr=
al
>> bussbar, there's quite a high likelihood of me giving myself (yet
anothe=
r)
>> 'wake up call'... :-)
>>
>> At least with the lever-type WAGO blocks its easy enough, - and
safe! -
>> to handle the wiring 'hot' and to make new connections to
LN&E..
>>
>> Something exactly like that item with some form of insulating
cover
>> would be my exactly perfect ideal fit!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Paul G.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 15:54:33 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] What do people use for terminal blocks in
Node 0?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> Is something like this more your cup of tea?
>>
>>
>> http://www.discount-electrical.co.uk/product.php/993515/hager-11-connect=
ion-neutral-terminal-with-blue-support-length-73mm-5x16mm----6x10mm-
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> On 26 May 2015 at 15:39, Paul Gordon paul_gordon@xxxxxxx [ukha_d]
<
>> ukha_d@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Tim.
>>
>> I also found this range just now:
>> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/commoning-blocks/3882833/?origin=3DPSF_435=
786alt
>>
>> Looks like (from what I can see of the mounting clips on the back)
these
>> appear to mount horizontally on the DIN rail, such that cable
entry is f=
rom
>> the bottom... which kinda takes up way more space than if there
were one
>> just like this which mounted vertically... they also do 8-way in
non-DIN
>> mounting flavour, which gives me enough ways, but doesn't do very
much t=
o
>> aid my spaghetti in the enclosure problem... unless they could
perhaps b=
e
>> panel mounted...
>>
>> P.
>> ------------------------------
>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 14:01:04 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] What do people use for terminal blocks in
Node 0?
>>
>> _,___
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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><div><div>Hi
Paul,<br><br></div><div>Sorry but IMHO
-<br></div><div><br></=
div>If there is enough potential to cause a wake up, then I'd
worry. Pr=
esuming that you are on an electrical supply that is PME.
<br><br></div><di=
v>I appreciate that if I splash between them then I trip the RCD, But
the n=
eutral should be prettry much the same voltage as the earth. Yes it can go
=
live if the neutral downstream lifts. but that's hardly a usual
situati=
on.<br></div><div><br></div>I have bare
neutrals and earths in my two nodes=
. I do some work live, but only ELV. but do tend to isolate more often
than=
not, even when on the 12v side -=C2=A0 just in case of putting 240v up the=
12v side - the inputs, databus wiring etc.. The consumer unit that I used =
are 54 way hagars, come with bare neutral
blocks.<br><br></div>I have seen =
some insulated ones, but they are like rocking horse
do.<br><br></div>I use=
Idratek dimmers etc, but I'm not aware of that much difference in
how =
they are connected. Ironically I use the pink Cbus cable for the dataside
d=
ue to the sheath
rating.<br><br></div>Cheers<br><br></div>Rich<br><div><div=
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<br><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hmm... interesting... certainly compact
enough, certainly =
has enough connection points...<br>=C2=A0<br>I have
reservations about usin=
g a completely non-insulated bussbar for neutral connections though....
the=
re tends to be quite a bit of 'hands on' working inside the
enclosu=
re when installing CBUS modules... I tend to do=C2=A0a lot of it
'hot&#=
39; - especially if/when I'm going back to a previously installed
modul=
e to add an additional appliance to a previously unused channel on a
module=
... In a small enclosure where everything is quite tightly packed in, with
=
an exposed earth bussbar, *and* an exposed neutral bussbar, there's
qui=
te a high likelihood of me giving myself (yet another) 'wake up
call=
9;... :-)<br>=C2=A0<br>At least with the lever-type WAGO blocks
its easy en=
ough, - and safe! - to handle the wiring 'hot' and to make
new conn=
ections to LN&E..<br><br>=C2=A0Something exactly like
that item with so=
me form of insulating cover would be my exactly perfect ideal
fit!<br>=C2=
=A0<br>Cheers <br>=C2=A0<br>Paul
G.<br>=C2=A0<br><div><span><hr>To: <a
href=
=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target=3D"_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx=
</a><br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx";
target=3D"_blank">u=
kha_d@xxxxxxx</a><br></span>Date: Tue, 26 May 2015
15:54:33 +0100<s=
pan><br>Subject: Re: [ukha_d] What do people use for terminal
blocks in Nod=
e 0?<br><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Hi
Paul,<br><br></div>Is something like thi=
s more your cup of tea?<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.discount-electrical.co=
.uk/product.php/993515/hager-11-connection-neutral-terminal-with-blue-suppo=
rt-length-73mm-5x16mm----6x10mm-" target=3D"_blank">http://www.discount-ele=
ctrical.co.uk/product.php/993515/hager-11-connection-neutral-terminal-with-=
blue-support-length-73mm-5x16mm----6x10mm-</a><br><br></div>Cheers<br><br><=
/div>Richard<div><br><div>On 26 May 2015 at 15:39,
Paul Gordon <a href=3D"m=
ailto:paul_gordon@xxxxxxx"
target=3D"_blank">paul_gordon@xxxxxxx</a=
> [ukha_d] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
href=3D"mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx"; =
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now: <a href=3D"http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/commoning-blocks/3882833/?or=
igin=3DPSF_435786%7calt" target=3D"_blank">http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/co=
mmoning-blocks/3882833/?origin=3DPSF_435786alt</a><br>=C2=A0<br>Looks
like=
(from what I can see of the mounting clips on the back) these appear to mo=
unt horizontally on the DIN rail, such that cable entry is from the
bottom.=
.. which kinda takes up way more space than if there were one just like
thi=
s which mounted vertically... they also do 8-way in non-DIN mounting
flavou=
r, which gives me enough ways, but doesn't do very much to aid my
spagh=
etti in the enclosure problem... unless they could perhaps be panel
mounted=
...<br>=C2=A0<br>P.<br><div><span><hr>To:
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target=3D"_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a><br>From:
<a href=3D"m=
ailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx"
target=3D"_blank">ukha_d@xxxxxxx</a><=
br></span>Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 14:01:04 +0100<br>Subject:
Re: [ukha_d] Wh=
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