RE: Re: Cloud backup/archiving?

["Alex Monaghan" <ha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

The cost of a DLT is high, but not as high as when the drives were DEC
TK50's on a VAX :) We used to get a whole 50Mb on these tapes in the 90's,
the pace of technology :) What's the current capacity, the last ones I used
were about 40Gb, have they improved on that?

The drive that failed us was a DAT drive and reporting OK in the logs, but
was so far out of alignment it chopped part of the stripe off the bottom of
the tape so recovery depended on where the file was actually written,
headers always read OK so no problem was noticed until it was too late.

After this, our junior had the job of verifying readability of every
server's Thursday tape (posted to us on Fridays) each Monday morning (20
sites with between 1 & 4 servers per site!)

-----Original Message-----
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Paul Gale
Sent: 14 August 2010 10:52
To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: Cloud backup/archiving?

No I don't - they are very expensive!

I do regularly restore from the tapes using the same machine though (when I
need to unarchive various files). So I know the tapes are written OK from
this drive (do a full verify too) - I guess it is possible due to alignment
and other issues that only a particular drive can read tapes created by
itself?

-----Original Message-----
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Alex Monaghan
Sent: 14 August 2010 09:49
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: Cloud backup/archiving?

Adding to costs, but do you have an alternative DLT to confirm you can read
the tapes? I used to work for a company who didn't verify their tapes were
readable and after a theft were unable to read the tapes on an alternative
drive as the original was faulty (even a specialist recovery company gave
up
saying the original tape drive was so out of alignment their custom
designed
solution couldn't read the tapes)

-----Original Message-----
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Paul Gale
Sent: 14 August 2010 09:42
To: <ukha_d@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: Cloud backup/archiving?

Yes, good points. I do have a DLT drive for archiving anyway.

I guess the other significant factor on cloud backup is speed of restore -
could be pretty slow for OS type backups. Maybe really only good for
personal files backup.

Paul.

On 14 Aug 2010, at 09:18, "Alex Monaghan" <ha@xxxxxxx>
wrote:

> I would suggest archive should be something under your full control.
> It
may
> be a lot of work, but, to dump data to DVD or off-line hard disks and
> to store in a trusted location (or duplicate locations) is really the
> only
way
> to be sure. I guess also, you may want to look at methods for media
refresh
> to allow for new media types and to ensure no issue due to media
> storage lifetime (run the hard disks every x months, verify the DVD's
> & re-copy every so often to ensure fresh media)
>
> The archive policy I wrote for the local charity I used to work with
> required them to burn each project's collection of documents and media
files
> to DVD and to store these with their paper archive. Daily backup was
> to a NAS in their other office (couple of miles physical separation)
> so accidental deletion was recoverable but archive was a deliberate
> manual process to be included at project close down.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Paul Gale
> Sent: 14 August 2010 08:33
> To: 'ukha_d@xxxxxxx'
> Subject: RE: [ukha_d] Re: Cloud backup/archiving?
>
> Thanks for the good post.
>
> I've gone with Jungle Disk for the moment - will see how it goes...
>
> I do like the look of Onlinestoragesolution - but it makes me nervous
> - is the offer too good to be true? Will they be there in a year or
> two??? I guess backup is safe but archiving may not be such a good
idea?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of jabberwockpl
> Sent: 13 August 2010 22:18
> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Cloud backup/archiving?
>
> I have just setup my own cloud backup solution, so I can give you a
> short, but very subjective review. Your mileage might vary and
probably
will.
>
> I have been looking for an inexpensive backup solution for quite some
time.
> I was particularly interested in WebDAV support, as my router
> (Fritz!Box -
a
> great automation companion) already supports it and my NAS (DNS-323)
> soon will.
>
> Unfortunately, none of the services looked ideal. I decided to have a
> look at three services: MemoPal, Carbonite and OpenDrive (price was
> decisive factor, I must admit).
>
> First I tried Carbonite - it has a trial period. Unfortunately, their
> app did not install at all and support did not respond in a reasonable
time.
>
> Then I had a look at OpenDrive. It looked good, although also limited
> to their app. Unfortunately, I could not make it to work in an
> automated fashion (using SyncbackSE). Manual syncing was out of
question,
naturally.
> Also, the Home plan offered 100 GB - my backup files do not exceed the
size,
> but at 60 GB they are not really that far - in a year a lot of data
> can be produced (home files, photos, two small companies' data).
>
> So I settled for MemoPal. It worked fine in the beginning and I
> purchased
a
> year plan (200 GB for 49 Euros). It supports WebDAV, too.
>
> Their backup app worked fine... until I pointed my network drive. No
> such luck! It flatly refused to acknowledge the fact. Nothing was
backed
up.
Then
> I tried SyncbackSE with WebDAV... Error after error. I went back to
> the
site
> and read the whole WebDAV FAQ - it turns out that it supports
read-only!
No
> way to backup with WebDAV.
>
> The fine and nice folks from MemoPal offered to fix my problems in a
remote
> connection session. After an hour and a half (I must admit I was a
> pretty difficult client - Windows with a swapped shell, no desktop,
> all programs run from FARR - the poor guy could not make heads or
> tails of my system) they gave up and generously offered to provide a
refund.
>
> I went searching again and came up with OnlineStorageSolution. I was
rather
> wary in the beginning, as it looked too good to be true - unlimited
> (yes, you read that right!) storage for USD 29, FTP/WebDAV/rsync
> access, but no trial...
>
> I took the plunge and I must say I am cautiously optimistic -
> SyncBackSE happily backs up my files to FTP (it would even better if I
> had given it right settings!) for the last two days and I did not have
> any issues with it.
>
> Of course, I will be able to do a better review of the service in
> about a year. The reviews I have found online are usually good, but
> not overly enthusiastic (they praise mostly the price). We will see...
>
> Oops... it was not that short after all...
>
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