RE: Re: Krone blocks, alarm cable, cat5, etc etc

["Paul Gordon" <paul_gordon@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think that was me... I'd planned to do this...
http://paulgordon.homeip.net/comfort.html

I actually never executed the plan, mainly because of the fact that
everything had already been previously installed by another installer, so
all the cables were already in place in the enclosure, and such a radical
cabling restructure was much more work than just putting everything back
the
way it was before, - albeit I did it a bit tidier. - I installed one of the
Comfort connection boards to give me many more sets of connector blocks to
play with, and thus I was able to get rid of the extremely messy
"choccky-block with a commoning wire down 1 side" arrangement as
mentioned
in the original post.

If I were installing from scratch, I'd definitely do something akin to my
original idea. At the time several people mentioned a number of percieved
drawbacks to using structured cabling infrastructure for a security
application - e.g. the possibility of intruders being able to unplug
sensors
for instance, but I think this is a non-issue if you do it with appropriate
safeguards.... - others may disgaree... - but I'm not protecting government
secrets here!

Paul G.



-----Original Message-----
From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Ben McCormack
Sent: 05 October 2009 19:26
To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Cc: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: Krone blocks, alarm cable, cat5, etc etc

Lee

Check back in the archives as I remember someone solving the exact
problem by using a patch panel to bring the comfort connections out of
main enclosure.

Regards
Ben McCormack

On 5 Oct 2009, at 17:41, "leewild80" <muddyboots@xxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Ian
>
> I suspect many are in the same boat as me - they generally like to
> do a neat job, but when it came to hooking everything up inside the
> Comfort box, that went out of the window and they're too embarrassed
> to put photos up :)
>
> I just have the one enclosure, with the main boards, expansion
> board, X10 adapter (& coiled up cable), battery, transformer, all
> hidden behind a rats nest of alarm cables & connector blocks from
> PIRs etc. I think the problem is there's nowhere left to fasten all
> the wires or connector blocks to in a tidy fashion.
>
> I reckon a more sensible approach might be:
> Have one enclosure that contains the boards, battery, transformer etc.
> Then have a second enclosure that acts as the wiring centre - put a
> load of Krone blocks or similar in it, with permanent connections
> across to all the available input, output, 12v and 0v connections in
> the main box. Then do all the messy patching of alarm & cat5
cables
> into Krone blocks in this box. Gives more space for some sensible
> cable management - kind of a mini node zero box for Comfort.
>
> Lee
>
> --- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, "ianh1000" <ianh1000@...>
wrote:
>> I know we have a lot of comfort users here, does anyone have some
>> photos of a very tidy installation? I would really like my one to
>> be a bit neater.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, Paul Gale <groups2@> wrote:
>>>
>>> Soldering wire for insertion possibly(?) not a great idea
though
>>> as solder can flow over time and can cause loose connections -
>>> don't know if that'd be an issue here though?
>>>
>>> Paul.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of ianh1000
>>>> Sent: 05 October 2009 13:17
>>>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Krone blocks, alarm cable, cat5, etc
etc
>>>>
>>>> Hi Lee
>>>>
>>>> I have the same challenge with my setup. These look a neat
>>>> solution but
>>>> I doubt they would be reliable with stranded cable, I
guess you
>>>> could
>>>> tin the strands with a little solder.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>> --- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, Paul Gale <groups2@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also be interested in this - I have a similar
>>>>> arrangement of
>>>> 3A term blocks (lots!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of leewild80
>>>>>> Sent: 05 October 2009 12:39
>>>>>> To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [ukha_d] Krone blocks, alarm cable, cat5,
etc etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a Comfort system, with inputs from a number
of PIRs -
>>>>>> all of
>>>>>> which share 12v and 0v connections.
>>>>>> Comfort itself only provides single 12v/0v
connections, so
>>>> currently I
>>>>>> have a not-very-ideal setup where the various PIR
wires are
>>>>>> twisted
>>>>>> together & shared across several ways in a
3-amp connector block,
>>>> and
>>>>>> in the other side of the connector block I have
daisy chained
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> wires across to common them together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It works but it's really not ideal, not only
because it's messy
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> hell, but screw connectors on stranded wires are
not very
>>>>>> reliable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have been wondering about a better solution for a
while, like
>>>> connector
>>>>>> strips with leaf contacts and insulated combs for
commoning
>>>> together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But then I happened across another thread on here
where people
>>>> mention
>>>>>> using Krone blocks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A bit of searching suggests a couple of Krone 237D
blocks might
>>>>>> be
>>>> an
>>>>>> ideal and neat solution - they have a flying lead
that I could
>>>> connect
>>>>>> to Comfort's 12v and 0v, and all the terminals
within the block
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> commoned together. They even come in red and black
:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few questions if I may:
>>>>>> 1) Does this seem a sensible idea ?
>>>>>> 2) I presume I can use the standard Krone-type
punchdown tool
>>>>>> that
>>>> I
>>>>>> bought for wiring cat5 faceplates ?
>>>>>> 3) Do the blocks work reliably with stranded
6-core alarm cable ?
>>>>>> 4) Do the blocks work reliably with the solid
cores of cat5e
>>>>>> cable
>>>> ?
>>>>>> 5) And (dumb question) - "normal" (237A)
Krone connectors - are
>>>>>> terminals on both sides of these linked across so
they act just
>>>> like a
>>>>>> connector block ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for any help !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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