Re: Re: Home Automation Integration and touchscreen front end

[Ben McCormack <yahoogroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Paul

Thats exactly what I am thinking. I am not sure the Ethernet UCM can
multitask/thread.

Ben



On 6 Jan 2009, at  22:02, Paul Gordon wrote:

> I noticed you said you're using an ethernet UCM, - I don't have one of
> those myself, but my first thought is does that support multiple
> client
> connections? - I know with the serial UCM's only 1 application can use
> it at a time, so in the early days when I only had 1 UCM, if
> Homeseer &
> the Comfort plugin was running, then Comfigurator could not
> upload/download to or from Comfort because the COM port was in
> use... -
> perhaps you are seeing issues similar to this? - I guess you could
> test
> this by shutting down all the other applications that connect to
> Comfort
> and run only Homeseer & the plugin for a while & see if your
> disconnection problems go away...
>
> I now have several separate serial UCMs dedicated to each application,
> and I never (touch wood) suffer disconnections between Comfort &
> homeseer..
>
> Paul G.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > Of Ben McCormack
> > Sent: 06 January 2009 21:55
> > To: UKHA Group
> > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: Home Automation Integration and
> touchscreen
> > front end
> >
> > Right
> >
> > I have just ben into the loft to test everything.
> >
> > I am now getting the realtime responses in homeseer to the
changes
> in
> > zone state within Comfort.
> >
> > Now I am currently running homeseer, Comfigurator, Wizcomfort all
on
> > the same machine. I have setup a dedicated homeseer user with
> Comfort.
> >
> > The problem I am finding is that homeseer looses connection to
> Comfort
> > and I need to restart homeseer for it to pick up the connection
> again.
> >
> > Now this could be something to do with the other utilities I am
> > running on the server. I also remember something about timeouts
so I
> > need to check that all tomorrow night.
> >
> > Paul - Thanks for the detailed info on Comfort/Homeseer. I will
> have a
> > play tomorrow
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > On 6 Jan 2009, at 21:45, Paul Gordon wrote:
> >
> > > The CBUS functionality is fairly straightforward... you
should now
> > > have
> > > a number of Homeseer devices called czCounter:nnn - 1 for
each
> > Comfort
> > > counter you specified, - so probably 256 in total...
> > >
> > > Each of those will automatically map to the corresponding
CBUS
> group
> > > number, - this is taken care of by the CBUS UCM, you don't
need to
> do
> > > anything in Homeseer. So CBUS group address 005 will map
onto
> Comfort
> > > counter 5; any change to the value of CBUS group 5 will (via
the
> CBUS
> > > UCM) automatically set the Comfort counter 5 to the same
value,
> and
> > > this
> > > will then be reflected in the Homeseer device czCounter:005.
If
> you
> > > turn
> > > CBUS group 5 on, you should see the Homeseer device
czCounter:005
> > > change
> > > value to 255, turn it off, you should see it in Homeseer
change
> the
> > > device value to 0. You can use these devicevalue changes as
> triggers
> > > to
> > > Homeseer events.
> > >
> > > Note that although it might seem counter-intuitive, the
reverse
> > > operation does NOT work. - i.e. changing a comfort counter
value
> > > (either
> > > in Homeseer, or directly in Comfort) does NOT change the
> > corresponding
> > > CBUS group address to the same value. - This is because of
how the
> > > CBUS
> > > UCM works, not anything to do with the plugin or with
Homeseer. -
> > > Basically, Comfort only *tracks* the CBUS group addresses
with its
> > > counters, it does not allow you to control CBUS groups via
its
> > > counters.
> > > Instead there is a specific action in Comfort (197 I think,
but
> it's
> > > obvious if you use Comfigurator). You must call that comfort
> action
> > > with
> > > various parameters to send commands out onto the CBUS from
> Comfort.
> -
> > > Again, you can do this from Homeseer via the plugin, because
one
> of
> > > the
> > > actions made available to Homeseer through the plugin allows
you
> to
> > > run
> > > any Comfort response.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Paul G.
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of Ben McCormack
> > > > Sent: 06 January 2009 20:52
> > > > To: UKHA Group
> > > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: Home Automation Integration
and
> > > touchscreen
> > > > front end
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > Thats the create button I had missed. The plugin has
been
> enabled.
> > > >
> > > > I need to check the status reporting is working and
then
> understand
> > > > how to get cbus working through homeseer
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > > On 6 Jan 2009, at 20:46, Paul Gordon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From what I recall, the option to read the devices
into the
> > plugin
> > > > > from
> > > > > the CCL file does little more than read the number
of inputs,
> > > > outputs,
> > > > > RIO zones, and counters from the CCL file to
populate the
> correct
> > > > > numbers in the boxes on the plugin config form. I
think you
> > > *still*
> > > > > then
> > > > > have to press the "Create" button to
have the plugin actually
> > > create
> > > > > the
> > > > > numbers of devices specifed...
> > > > >
> > > > > Once that's done, you still have to modify many /
most of the
> > > > > devices it
> > > > > creates to customise them for your environment,
since the
> devices
> > > all
> > > > > get created with generic names like "IzZone
1" and so on. -
> Not
> > > sure
> > > > > if
> > > > > this still applies if you use the CCL file method,
as the
> names
> > > you
> > > > > have
> > > > > given to the zones in Comfort should be available
in the
> CCL, so
> > > > maybe
> > > > > it's smart enough to read zone names as well..
> > > > >
> > > > > I presume you've already configured the connection
to the UCM,
> > and
> > > > > that
> > > > > this is working, - since you said you've seen it
report the
> > > comfort
> > > &
> > > > > UCM Version details, this must be OK... You also
have to set
> the
> > > > > plugin
> > > > > status to enabled in the Homeseer interfaces
configuration if
> you
> > > > > haven't done that already...
> > > > >
> > > > > Once all this is done, you should have real-time
logging in
> the
> > > > > Homeseer
> > > > > log of any changes to comfort zones, so if you go
& jump
> around
> > in
> > > > > front
> > > > > of a PIR, you should see that logged virtually
instantaneously
> in
> > > the
> > > > > Homeseer log...
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul G
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
> On
> > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > Of Ben McCormack
> > > > > > Sent: 06 January 2009 20:22
> > > > > > To: UKHA Group
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: Home Automation
Integration and
> > > > > touchscreen
> > > > > > front end
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thought I had got something wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a step where you use the plugin to
'read' your
> comfort
> > > > > file.
> > > > > > This then creates the devices. But I dont
seem to be able to
> > > find
> > > > > any
> > > > > > of these devices. I will recheck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ben
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6 Jan 2009, at 20:17, Paul Gordon wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Ben,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, I'm afraid you must have got it
totally wrong!... :-0
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's been a while since I installed the
plugin, so my
> memory
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > exact process is a little bit vague, but
you have to go
> > > through
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > setup steps to create devices in
Homeseer to represent all
> > > your
> > > > > > > Comfort
> > > > > > > devices (inputs, outputs, counters,
etc.) - You should end
> up
> > > > with
> > > > > > > *hundreds* of Homeseer devices for
comfort. - Have you
> done
> > > this
> > > > > > > setup &
> > > > > > > got all those devices?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Paul G.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
> > > On
> > > > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > > > Of Ben McCormack
> > > > > > > > Sent: 06 January 2009 18:54
> > > > > > > > To: UKHA Group
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: Home
Automation Integration
> and
> > > > > > > touchscreen
> > > > > > > > front end
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > OK
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have now spent as couple of
evenings trying to get
> > > homeseer
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > Comfort to do something slightly
useful and I am getting
> no
> > > > > where.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have installed Homeseer and the
Comfort plugin.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I get the homeseer to query Comfort
and retrieve the
> > version
> > > > > > > > information but not much else.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Maybe I have got it all wrong but I
was expecting to be
> > able
> > > to
> > > > > see
> > > > > > > > 'real time' zone status etc. Have I
got it totally
> wrong?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ben
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 5 Jan 2009, at 14:34, Gareth
Cook wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm the opposite - and the
support for the plugin is ,
> > > well,
> > > > > p155
> > > > > > > > > poor.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Paul - time to re-invent your
modified plugin ? :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yup. that's the one. I've
found it to be extremely
> > > relaible
> > > > > > (touch
> > > > > > > > > wood).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Paul G
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
________________________________
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx on behalf
of Ben
> McCormack
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon 05/01/2009 13:31
> > > > > > > > > To: UKHA Group
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Home
Automation Integration and
> > > > > touchscreen
> > > > > > > > > front
> > > > > > > > > end
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Guys - Are you using the
pjcComfort2 plugin to connect
> > > > Comfort
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > homeseer?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx,
"Paul Gordon"
> <paul@...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Indeed, Gareth's
experience does generally differ
> from
> > > my
> > > > > own,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > I've
> > > > > > > > > > always attributed that to
the fact that Gareth
> > generally
> > > is
> > > > > > > > > "pushing the
> > > > > > > > > > envelope" rather
further than I do...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > :-)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Paul G.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original
Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
> > > > > On
> > > > > > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > > > > > Of Gareth Cook
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: 04 January 2009
19:21
> > > > > > > > > > To: UKHA Group
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Fw: [ukha_d]
Home Automation Integration
> and
> > > > > > > touchscreen
> > > > > > > > > front
> > > > > > > > > > end
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Paul and myself chat
often as we have almost the
> same
> > > > > > > installation
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > Comfort, CBUS, Homeseer,
and Sonos.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would like to say that
the PC component is as
> flakey
> > > as
> > > a
> > > > > > > box of
> > > > > > > > > > cornflakes - always has
been and I've been running
> > > Homeseer
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > several
> > > > > > > > > > years.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Comfort plugin is ok,
but has a temper now and
> > > again -
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Sonos
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > plugin is not stable at
all. If you dont mind
> checking
> > > your
> > > > > > > system
> > > > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > now and again, you'll be
fine. I too, like Paul,
> have
> > > CBUS
> > > > > > > buttons
> > > > > > > > > > activating Sonos stuff
and the like - and we have to
> > use
> > > > > > > Homeseer
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > that's the only route
between Sonos and Comfort -
> but
> > > it's
> > > > > > often
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > functioning because one
of the 2 plugins has died on
> > its
> > > > > arse.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I plan to reinstall (for
the umpteen time) and try
> to
> > > keep
> > > > > to
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > stable
> > > > > > > > > > revision of everything
(ie one but last of the
> Comfort
> > > > > plugin)
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > both
> > > > > > > > > > plugins really requires
some extensive QA work -
> > > stability
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > severely
> > > > > > > > > > lacking. Even Comfort has
it's moments, but CBUS has
> > > never
> > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > gone
> > > > > > > > > > wrong.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > G.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ben,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I agree with pretty much
all those choices, with the
> > > > > exception
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > Smartfit... - the good
thing about it is there is a
> > > > > dedicated
> > > > > > > UCM
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > integrate smartfit &
comfort, but the downside is
> that
> > > > > > > smartfit is
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > pretty dumb system, and
is only suitable for certain
> > > > Central
> > > > > > > > Heating
> > > > > > > > > > designs. The newer
Hometronic system is far better
> in
> > > most
> > > > > > > > respects,
> > > > > > > > > > although there isn't a
dedicated UCM for it
> > > unfortunately.
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > believe
> > > > > > > > > > Cytech were (are?)
attempting to make an arrangement
> > > with
> > > > > > > > > Honeywell with
> > > > > > > > > > a view to developing a
Hometronic UCM, but I've
> heard
> > > > > nothing
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > for the last 2 years or
so, so I guess that idea
> never
> > > got
> > > > > off
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > ground (shame).
Hometronic is, as you've noticed,
> > > > > significantly
> > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > expensive, especially if
you have lots of radiators
> all
> > > > > needing
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > hometronic control valves
on them, although I guess
> you
> > > > > *could*
> > > > > > > > > > implement it in phases to
reduce the initial impact.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In case you hadn't
sussed, it *is* actually possible
> to
> > > > > > > implement
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > degree of integration
between Hometronic & Comfort,
> > > using
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Hometronic modules that
provide digital input/
> outputs
> > > that
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > then be
> > > > > > > > > > connected to Comfort
outputs/inputs to signal
> discrete
> > > > > states,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > enable Comfort to control
Hometronic (i.e comfort
> could
> > > > > have a
> > > > > > > > > number of
> > > > > > > > > > outputs connected to
Hometronic, each signal line
> could
> > > > then
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > programmed in Hometronic
to set a particular
> > "lifestyle"
> > > so
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > instance
> > > > > > > > > > Comfort would be able to
turn off all heating when
> set
> > > to
> > > > > away
> > > > > > > > > mode...)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I already have almost all
the components of the
> system
> > > that
> > > > > > > you've
> > > > > > > > > > specified (Comfort, CBUS,
SONOS, Homeseer) and I
> > > actually
> > > > > > > settled
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > Hometronic for my heating
as well, and even went as
> > > far as
> > > > > > > getting
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > quote for a system.
Unforseen circumstances have
> > > repeatedly
> > > > > > > forced
> > > > > > > > > me to
> > > > > > > > > > put it on hold
unfortunately, so I still haven't got
> > > round
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > purchasing
> > > > > > > > > > it, although I do still
intend to when circumstances
> > > allow.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you haven't already
experimented with Homeseer,
> its
> > > > worth
> > > > > > > > > pointing
> > > > > > > > > > out that there is just
about to be a new component
> > > launched
> > > > > > > for it
> > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > is specifically designed
for easy implementation of
> > > > > > > touchscreens.
> > > > > > > > > > "Homeseer
Touch" is in beta at the moment, and I've
> > been
> > > > > > playing
> > > > > > > > > with it
> > > > > > > > > > for a couple of months.
It is pretty simple &
> > > > > straightforward,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > integrates seamlessly
with Homeseer. It's still a
> bit
> > > rough
> > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > edges, but I believe in
time it will be an extremely
> > > > capable
> > > > > > > > > system, and
> > > > > > > > > > almost a no-brainer for
anyone who already runs
> > > Homeseer.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Using this combination of
components I've been
> able to
> > > > > achieve
> > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > additional integration
that actually isn't
> possible if
> > > any
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > omitted. For instance I
can have CBUS buttons
> control
> > > SONOS
> > > > > > > zones
> > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > that my "room
off" button that I have on all my CBUS
> > > > keypads
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > stop the SONOS zone
playing in that room as well,
> which
> > > > > makes
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > nicer overall experience.
This particular function
> uses
> > > > > > Homeseer
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > bridge several systems
via their respective plugins
> > > > (signals
> > > > > > go:
> > > > > > > > > CBUS
> > > > > > > > > > --> Comfort -->
Homeseer --> SONOS)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you'd like any further
info about my experiences,
> > > then
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > holler.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Paul G.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original
Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > > > ]
> > > > > > > On
> > > > > > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > > > > > > Of Ben McCormack
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: 04 January
2009 16:16
> > > > > > > > > > > To: UKHA Group
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ukha_d]
Home Automation Integration and
> > > > > touchscreen
> > > > > > > > > front
> > > > > > > > > > end
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > All
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > As I am suer many of
you are aware we have
> recently
> > > moved
> > > > > > > into a
> > > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > > house that needs
renovation. This has given me the
> > > > > chance to
> > > > > > > > > automate
> > > > > > > > > > > the house. I have
tried to use best of breed in
> each
> > > area
> > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > possible and
integrate systems as well.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have arrived at
the following scheme
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Lighting : Cbus
> > > > > > > > > > > Alarm : Comfort
> > > > > > > > > > > Heating : Smartfit
> > > > > > > > > > > Temp Monitoing :
1-Wire using HA7Net. This is
> based
> > on
> > > > > recent
> > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > > All the media in the
house will be supplied from
> my
> > > Mac
> > > > > Mini
> > > > > > > > > Server
> > > > > > > > > > > and Sonos.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > cbus and Comfort are
linked
> > > > > > > > > > > Comfort and Smartfit
are linked
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So I have Lighting,
Heating and Alarm
> integrated. So
> > > far
> > > > > > > Comfort
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > be my main interface
so I can use Comfort
> keypads or
> > > the
> > > > > DECT
> > > > > > > > > phones
> > > > > > > > > > > in the house to
control things.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Now I have added
1-Wire I am starting to think how
> to
> > > > > > > integrate
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > and make intelligent
decisions based on room
> > > temperature
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > provide temp logging
and graphing.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > There is one area
that I don't think I have worked
> > out
> > > > yet
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > that is
> > > > > > > > > > > the overall control
mechanism. I guess ideally I
> > would
> > > > > like
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > > of wireless
touch-screens that could display
> > > information
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > house and allow me
to control various functions.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I can see that
homeseer could be used as an
> > interface.
> > > It
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > plugins
> > > > > > > > > > > for most of my
components.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Are there any other
options I could look at?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ben
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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