RE: Re: Home Automation Integration and touchscreen front end

["Paul Gordon" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I noticed you said you're using an ethernet UCM, - I don't have one of
those myself, but my first thought is does that support multiple client
connections? - I know with the serial UCM's only 1 application can use
it at a time, so in the early days when I only had 1 UCM, if Homeseer &
the Comfort plugin was running, then Comfigurator could not
upload/download to or from Comfort because the COM port was in use... -
perhaps you are seeing issues similar to this? - I guess you could test
this by shutting down all the other applications that connect to Comfort
and run only Homeseer & the plugin for a while & see if your
disconnection problems go away...

I now have several separate serial UCMs dedicated to each application,
and I never (touch wood) suffer disconnections between Comfort &
homeseer..

Paul G.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Ben McCormack
> Sent: 06 January 2009 21:55
> To: UKHA Group
> Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: Home Automation Integration and touchscreen
> front end
>
> Right
>
> I have just ben into the loft to test everything.
>
> I am now getting the realtime responses in homeseer to the changes in
> zone state within Comfort.
>
> Now I am currently running homeseer, Comfigurator, Wizcomfort all on
> the same machine. I have setup a dedicated homeseer user with Comfort.
>
> The problem I am finding is that homeseer looses connection to Comfort
> and I need to restart homeseer for it to pick up the connection again.
>
> Now this could be something to do with the other utilities I am
> running on the server. I also remember something about timeouts so I
> need to check that all tomorrow night.
>
> Paul - Thanks for the detailed info on Comfort/Homeseer. I will have a
> play tomorrow
>
> Ben
>
> On 6 Jan 2009, at  21:45, Paul Gordon wrote:
>
> > The CBUS functionality is fairly straightforward... you should
now
> > have
> > a number of Homeseer devices called czCounter:nnn - 1 for each
> Comfort
> > counter you specified, - so probably 256 in total...
> >
> > Each of those will automatically map to the corresponding CBUS
group
> > number, - this is taken care of by the CBUS UCM, you don't need
to
do
> > anything in Homeseer. So CBUS group address 005 will map onto
Comfort
> > counter 5; any change to the value of CBUS group 5 will (via the
CBUS
> > UCM) automatically set the Comfort counter 5 to the same value,
and
> > this
> > will then be reflected in the Homeseer device czCounter:005. If
you
> > turn
> > CBUS group 5 on, you should see the Homeseer device czCounter:005
> > change
> > value to 255, turn it off, you should see it in Homeseer change
the
> > device value to 0. You can use these devicevalue changes as
triggers
> > to
> > Homeseer events.
> >
> > Note that although it might seem counter-intuitive, the reverse
> > operation does NOT work. - i.e. changing a comfort counter value
> > (either
> > in Homeseer, or directly in Comfort) does NOT change the
> corresponding
> > CBUS group address to the same value. - This is because of how
the
> > CBUS
> > UCM works, not anything to do with the plugin or with Homeseer. -
> > Basically, Comfort only *tracks* the CBUS group addresses with
its
> > counters, it does not allow you to control CBUS groups via its
> > counters.
> > Instead there is a specific action in Comfort (197 I think, but
it's
> > obvious if you use Comfigurator). You must call that comfort
action
> > with
> > various parameters to send commands out onto the CBUS from
Comfort.
-
> > Again, you can do this from Homeseer via the plugin, because one
of
> > the
> > actions made available to Homeseer through the plugin allows you
to
> > run
> > any Comfort response.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Paul G.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Ben McCormack
> > > Sent: 06 January 2009 20:52
> > > To: UKHA Group
> > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: Home Automation Integration and
> > touchscreen
> > > front end
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > Thats the create button I had missed. The plugin has been
enabled.
> > >
> > > I need to check the status reporting is working and then
understand
> > > how to get cbus working through homeseer
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > On 6 Jan 2009, at 20:46, Paul Gordon wrote:
> > >
> > > > From what I recall, the option to read the devices into
the
> plugin
> > > > from
> > > > the CCL file does little more than read the number of
inputs,
> > > outputs,
> > > > RIO zones, and counters from the CCL file to populate
the
correct
> > > > numbers in the boxes on the plugin config form. I think
you
> > *still*
> > > > then
> > > > have to press the "Create" button to have the
plugin actually
> > create
> > > > the
> > > > numbers of devices specifed...
> > > >
> > > > Once that's done, you still have to modify many / most
of the
> > > > devices it
> > > > creates to customise them for your environment, since
the
devices
> > all
> > > > get created with generic names like "IzZone
1" and so on. - Not
> > sure
> > > > if
> > > > this still applies if you use the CCL file method, as
the names
> > you
> > > > have
> > > > given to the zones in Comfort should be available in
the CCL, so
> > > maybe
> > > > it's smart enough to read zone names as well..
> > > >
> > > > I presume you've already configured the connection to
the UCM,
> and
> > > > that
> > > > this is working, - since you said you've seen it report
the
> > comfort
> > &
> > > > UCM Version details, this must be OK... You also have
to set the
> > > > plugin
> > > > status to enabled in the Homeseer interfaces
configuration if
you
> > > > haven't done that already...
> > > >
> > > > Once all this is done, you should have real-time
logging in the
> > > > Homeseer
> > > > log of any changes to comfort zones, so if you go &
jump around
> in
> > > > front
> > > > of a PIR, you should see that logged virtually
instantaneously
in
> > the
> > > > Homeseer log...
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > Paul G
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
On
> > > > Behalf
> > > > > Of Ben McCormack
> > > > > Sent: 06 January 2009 20:22
> > > > > To: UKHA Group
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: Home Automation
Integration and
> > > > touchscreen
> > > > > front end
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > Thought I had got something wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a step where you use the plugin to 'read'
your
comfort
> > > > file.
> > > > > This then creates the devices. But I dont seem to
be able to
> > find
> > > > any
> > > > > of these devices. I will recheck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6 Jan 2009, at 20:17, Paul Gordon wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Ben,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, I'm afraid you must have got it totally
wrong!... :-0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's been a while since I installed the
plugin, so my memory
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > exact process is a little bit vague, but you
have to go
> > through
> > > > some
> > > > > > setup steps to create devices in Homeseer to
represent all
> > your
> > > > > > Comfort
> > > > > > devices (inputs, outputs, counters, etc.) -
You should end
up
> > > with
> > > > > > *hundreds* of Homeseer devices for comfort. -
Have you done
> > this
> > > > > > setup &
> > > > > > got all those devices?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul G.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
> > On
> > > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > > Of Ben McCormack
> > > > > > > Sent: 06 January 2009 18:54
> > > > > > > To: UKHA Group
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ukha_d] Re: Home
Automation Integration and
> > > > > > touchscreen
> > > > > > > front end
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > OK
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have now spent as couple of evenings
trying to get
> > homeseer
> > > > and
> > > > > > > Comfort to do something slightly useful
and I am getting
no
> > > > where.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have installed Homeseer and the
Comfort plugin.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I get the homeseer to query Comfort and
retrieve the
> version
> > > > > > > information but not much else.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe I have got it all wrong but I was
expecting to be
> able
> > to
> > > > see
> > > > > > > 'real time' zone status etc. Have I got
it totally wrong?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ben
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5 Jan 2009, at 14:34, Gareth Cook
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm the opposite - and the support
for the plugin is ,
> > well,
> > > > p155
> > > > > > > > poor.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Paul - time to re-invent your
modified plugin ? :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yup. that's the one. I've found it
to be extremely
> > relaible
> > > > > (touch
> > > > > > > > wood).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Paul G
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx on behalf of
Ben McCormack
> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon 05/01/2009 13:31
> > > > > > > > To: UKHA Group
> > > > > > > > Subject: [ukha_d] Re: Home
Automation Integration and
> > > > touchscreen
> > > > > > > > front
> > > > > > > > end
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Guys - Are you using the
pjcComfort2 plugin to connect
> > > Comfort
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > homeseer?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, "Paul
Gordon" <paul@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Indeed, Gareth's experience
does generally differ from
> > my
> > > > own,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > I've
> > > > > > > > > always attributed that to the
fact that Gareth
> generally
> > is
> > > > > > > > "pushing the
> > > > > > > > > envelope" rather further
than I do...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Paul G.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx]
> > > > On
> > > > > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > > > > Of Gareth Cook
> > > > > > > > > Sent: 04 January 2009 19:21
> > > > > > > > > To: UKHA Group
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Fw: [ukha_d] Home
Automation Integration and
> > > > > > touchscreen
> > > > > > > > front
> > > > > > > > > end
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Paul and myself chat often as
we have almost the same
> > > > > > installation
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > Comfort, CBUS, Homeseer, and
Sonos.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I would like to say that the
PC component is as flakey
> > as
> > a
> > > > > > box of
> > > > > > > > > cornflakes - always has been
and I've been running
> > Homeseer
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > several
> > > > > > > > > years.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Comfort plugin is ok, but
has a temper now and
> > again -
> > > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Sonos
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > plugin is not stable at all.
If you dont mind checking
> > your
> > > > > > system
> > > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > now and again, you'll be fine.
I too, like Paul, have
> > CBUS
> > > > > > buttons
> > > > > > > > > activating Sonos stuff and the
like - and we have to
> use
> > > > > > Homeseer
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > that's the only route between
Sonos and Comfort - but
> > it's
> > > > > often
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > functioning because one of the
2 plugins has died on
> its
> > > > arse.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I plan to reinstall (for the
umpteen time) and try to
> > keep
> > > > to
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > stable
> > > > > > > > > revision of everything (ie one
but last of the Comfort
> > > > plugin)
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > both
> > > > > > > > > plugins really requires some
extensive QA work -
> > stability
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > severely
> > > > > > > > > lacking. Even Comfort has it's
moments, but CBUS has
> > never
> > > > ever
> > > > > > > gone
> > > > > > > > > wrong.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > G.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ben,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I agree with pretty much all
those choices, with the
> > > > exception
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > Smartfit... - the good thing
about it is there is a
> > > > dedicated
> > > > > > UCM
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > integrate smartfit &
comfort, but the downside is that
> > > > > > smartfit is
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > pretty dumb system, and is
only suitable for certain
> > > Central
> > > > > > > Heating
> > > > > > > > > designs. The newer Hometronic
system is far better in
> > most
> > > > > > > respects,
> > > > > > > > > although there isn't a
dedicated UCM for it
> > unfortunately.
> > > I
> > > > > > > believe
> > > > > > > > > Cytech were (are?) attempting
to make an arrangement
> > with
> > > > > > > > Honeywell with
> > > > > > > > > a view to developing a
Hometronic UCM, but I've heard
> > > > nothing
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > for the last 2 years or so, so
I guess that idea never
> > got
> > > > off
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > ground (shame). Hometronic is,
as you've noticed,
> > > > significantly
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > expensive, especially if you
have lots of radiators
all
> > > > needing
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > hometronic control valves on
them, although I guess
you
> > > > *could*
> > > > > > > > > implement it in phases to
reduce the initial impact.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In case you hadn't sussed, it
*is* actually possible
to
> > > > > > implement
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > degree of integration between
Hometronic & Comfort,
> > using
> > > > some
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Hometronic modules that
provide digital input/outputs
> > that
> > > > can
> > > > > > > > then be
> > > > > > > > > connected to Comfort
outputs/inputs to signal discrete
> > > > states,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > enable Comfort to control
Hometronic (i.e comfort
could
> > > > have a
> > > > > > > > number of
> > > > > > > > > outputs connected to
Hometronic, each signal line
could
> > > then
> > > > be
> > > > > > > > > programmed in Hometronic to
set a particular
> "lifestyle"
> > so
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > instance
> > > > > > > > > Comfort would be able to turn
off all heating when set
> > to
> > > > away
> > > > > > > > mode...)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I already have almost all the
components of the system
> > that
> > > > > > you've
> > > > > > > > > specified (Comfort, CBUS,
SONOS, Homeseer) and I
> > actually
> > > > > > settled
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > Hometronic for my heating as
well, and even went as
> > far as
> > > > > > getting
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > quote for a system. Unforseen
circumstances have
> > repeatedly
> > > > > > forced
> > > > > > > > me to
> > > > > > > > > put it on hold unfortunately,
so I still haven't got
> > round
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > purchasing
> > > > > > > > > it, although I do still intend
to when circumstances
> > allow.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you haven't already
experimented with Homeseer, its
> > > worth
> > > > > > > > pointing
> > > > > > > > > out that there is just about
to be a new component
> > launched
> > > > > > for it
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > is specifically designed for
easy implementation of
> > > > > > touchscreens.
> > > > > > > > > "Homeseer Touch" is
in beta at the moment, and I've
> been
> > > > > playing
> > > > > > > > with it
> > > > > > > > > for a couple of months. It is
pretty simple &
> > > > straightforward,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > integrates seamlessly with
Homeseer. It's still a bit
> > rough
> > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > edges, but I believe in time
it will be an extremely
> > > capable
> > > > > > > > system, and
> > > > > > > > > almost a no-brainer for anyone
who already runs
> > Homeseer.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Using this combination of
components I've been able to
> > > > achieve
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > additional integration that
actually isn't possible if
> > any
> > > > of
> > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > omitted. For instance I can
have CBUS buttons control
> > SONOS
> > > > > > zones
> > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > that my "room off"
button that I have on all my CBUS
> > > keypads
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > stop the SONOS zone playing in
that room as well,
which
> > > > makes
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > nicer overall experience. This
particular function
uses
> > > > > Homeseer
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > bridge several systems via
their respective plugins
> > > (signals
> > > > > go:
> > > > > > > > CBUS
> > > > > > > > > --> Comfort --> Homeseer
--> SONOS)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you'd like any further info
about my experiences,
> > then
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > holler.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Paul G.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original
Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > > > ]
> > > > > > On
> > > > > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > > > > > Of Ben McCormack
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: 04 January 2009
16:16
> > > > > > > > > > To: UKHA Group
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ukha_d] Home
Automation Integration and
> > > > touchscreen
> > > > > > > > front
> > > > > > > > > end
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > All
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As I am suer many of you
are aware we have recently
> > moved
> > > > > > into a
> > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > house that needs
renovation. This has given me the
> > > > chance to
> > > > > > > > automate
> > > > > > > > > > the house. I have tried
to use best of breed in each
> > area
> > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > possible and integrate
systems as well.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have arrived at the
following scheme
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Lighting : Cbus
> > > > > > > > > > Alarm : Comfort
> > > > > > > > > > Heating : Smartfit
> > > > > > > > > > Temp Monitoing : 1-Wire
using HA7Net. This is based
> on
> > > > recent
> > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > > > > > All the media in the
house will be supplied from my
> > Mac
> > > > Mini
> > > > > > > > Server
> > > > > > > > > > and Sonos.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > cbus and Comfort are
linked
> > > > > > > > > > Comfort and Smartfit are
linked
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So I have Lighting,
Heating and Alarm integrated. So
> > far
> > > > > > Comfort
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > be my main interface so I
can use Comfort keypads or
> > the
> > > > DECT
> > > > > > > > phones
> > > > > > > > > > in the house to control
things.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Now I have added 1-Wire I
am starting to think how
to
> > > > > > integrate
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > and make intelligent
decisions based on room
> > temperature
> > > > and
> > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > provide temp logging and
graphing.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There is one area that I
don't think I have worked
> out
> > > yet
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > that is
> > > > > > > > > > the overall control
mechanism. I guess ideally I
> would
> > > > like
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > > > > of wireless touch-screens
that could display
> > information
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > house and allow me to
control various functions.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I can see that homeseer
could be used as an
> interface.
> > It
> > > > has
> > > > > > > > plugins
> > > > > > > > > > for most of my
components.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Are there any other
options I could look at?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ben
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > Limited Time Offer - Free
iPhone VAT Calculator
> > > > > > > > > >
> > http://berble.com/index.php/component/content/article/109
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this
incoming message.
> > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> > <http://www.avg.com/>
> > > > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus
Database: 270.10.1/1870 -
> > > Release
> > > > > > Date:
> > > > > > > > > > 03/01/2009 14:14
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
********************************************
> > > > > > > > > Limited Time Offer - Free
iPhone VAT Calculator
> > > > > > > > > http://berble.com/index.php/component/content/article/
> > 109
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Unless stated otherwise above:
> > > > > > > > > IBM United Kingdom Limited -
Registered in England and
> > > Wales
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > number
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 741598.
> > > > > > > > > Registered office: PO Box 41,
North Harbour,
> Portsmouth,
> > > > > > Hampshire
> > > > > > > > PO6
> > > > > > > > > 3AU
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this
message have been removed]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
********************************************
> > > > > > > > > Limited Time Offer - Free
iPhone VAT Calculator
> > > > > > > > > http://berble.com/index.php/component/content/article/
> > 109
> > > > > > > > >
********************************************
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No virus found in this
incoming message.
> > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://
> > www.avg.com/>
> > > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus
Database: 270.10.1/1870 -
> > Release
> > > > > Date:
> > > > > > > > > 03/01/2009 14:14
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message
have been removed]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Unless stated otherwise above:
> > > > > > > > IBM United Kingdom Limited -
Registered in England and
> > Wales
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > number
> > > > > > > > 741598.
> > > > > > > > Registered office: PO Box 41, North
Harbour, Portsmouth,
> > > > > Hampshire
> > > > > > > > PO6 3AU
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message
have been removed]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
been removed]
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> > > > > > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database:
270.10.2/1876 - Release
> > > Date:
> > > > > > > 06/01/2009 07:56
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> > > > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1876 -
Release
> Date:
> > > > > 06/01/2009 07:56
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1876 - Release
Date:
> > > 06/01/2009 07:56
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1876 - Release Date:
> 06/01/2009 07:56

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