Re: What would you pay for a home automation package?

["solentelectricalservices" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Phil thanks for the kind works, the system will have to do as it says=20
on the tin as im putting my reputation on the line here.

I think after doing some rough calculations and as the system is so=20
modular and can be adapted for most requirements I hope to aim the=20
budget at =A35000 as a start up package and then work upwards depending=20
on the house size. However I hope that the wiring centre should cost=20
around =A31000 of that and be something people could start with (box=20
screwed to wall for terminating)=20

Will keep those interested posted.










--- In ukha_d@xxxxxxx, "Phil Harris" <phil@a...> wrote:
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> Hmmm ... A bit of a tricky one there Paul. Of course I've seen some=20
of the
> functionality that you are wanting to build into this and I know it=20
should
> be impressive (assuming that it all works together in the end which=20
is what
> you're sorting now).
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> Asking about pricing is a bit of an issue here though as UKHA_D is
> invariably a place where we all want fine Chardonay for Aussie=20
hooch prices.
> On one hand it will be capable of a shitload of functionality, you=20
have an
> intelligent heating controller in there (the functionality of which=20
I have
> seen at work in your "old" house and it was bloody
impressive),=20
intelligent
> lighting and intelligent security which - if you look at those areas
> individually - will set you back an arm and a leg for good kit. I'm=20
tempted
> to take a wild stab and say that you can assume that the heating=20
control,
> lighting control and intelligent security system would probably=20
cost in the
> order of =A31,500 each to buy in so chuck on another grand for it=20
being a
> conveniently pre-packaged solution (i.e. you don't need to then=20
spend the
> next year trying to get all three separate systems talking to each=20
other)
> and a slice of profit (which will have to be a semi reasonable one=20
given
> that it will be a small market product at first and will require a
> reasonable level of support from you as the "manufacturer")
and=20
you've got
> to be up at the =A36k - =A36.5k mark.
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> On the other hand that's a hefty wedge of cash for one bit of kit=20
and I'm
> sure that it would raise cries of "too expensive" from many
here (me
> included as I can't afford that kind of outlay but then again maybe=20
if
> that's the type of system I was looking for then maybe I would=20
think that
> =A36k is cheap - after all I want a weekend toy that costs three=20
times that!).
> There was a post up here recently from someone that was looking at=20
=A315k to
> get a decent rewiring job done on his property so in that context=20
my =A36k
> guesstimate looks decidedly underpriced and if you're contemplating=20
doing a
> renovation or refit on a property then =A36k for heating control,=20
lighting
> control and security is a peeing in a lake so maybe at =A36k it
would=20
be
> underpriced?
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> All assuming that it does what it says on the tin of course...
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> OH TOSS!!! I missed the bit there that said about the zoned music=20
server ...
> I guess you can look at chucking another grand at least onto it=20
there then
> too (I'm thinking roughly equivalent cost to a Yamaha Musiccast or=20
similar).
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> So then - anyone else care to comment on whether my finger-in-the-
air figure
> of =A37k - =A37.5k is reasonable?
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> Phil
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: solentelectricalservices [mailto:paul@i...]=20
> > Sent: 19 February 2005 22:28
> > To: ukha_d@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: [ukha_d] What would you pay for a home automation=20
package?
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> > Some of you will remember me from the UKHA show (guy with the=20
> > stand next to laser) I have been working for some time on a=20
> > control panel type enclosure system which would become the=20
> > node 0 panel. Basically it is my theory that I would supply=20
> > installers/sparks with a complete pre-built panel and a=20
> > wiring schedule. The panel would be ready labelled and all=20
> > you would do is wire from each terminal to the right point=20
> > with the right cable. Then power up and off you go. Tricky=20
> > bit is the screens for configuration which you will need to=20
> > access. Not sure how deep to make these yet. If you have ADSL=20
> > all can be maintained and tweaked remotely if required.
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> > So how much would the average new build/rewire client pay for=20
> > such a box? This is to help me understand better what=20
> > equipment to use and if the equipment im using right now fits=20
> > most budgets.=20
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> > What do you get?
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> > Option 1 which is nearly finished would offer as standard:-
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> > 1) Full heating control optimum start/stop, weather=20
> > compensation, variable temp circuit, PID control, full time=20
> > scheduling from PC, and much much more.
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> > 2) Lighting control for 20 Zones (obviously this can be changed)
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> > 3) Security with full online keypad, SMS arm, status etc, 16=20
> > zones as standard.
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> > 4) PIR lighting control, walk in a room and if needed lights
come=20
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> > Works best at night for toilet, mid night snacks etc.
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> > 5) Music server + 2 extra zones
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> > 6) Normal patch bay type setup, cat5e and CT100 with space=20
> > for phone system etc
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> > 7) User interface is PDA, PC, web pages. Maybe included will=20
> > be 4 12 button panels that are pre-engraved. These panels=20
> > have led feedback and play wav files.
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> > 8) Light switches are bog standard momentary, wired in cat5e=20
> > so can be changed later.
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> > 9) Loads of bolt on extras that can be added later using the=20
> > wiring scheme.
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> > I know some of you have objections to US INSTALLERS posting=20
> > on here but im interested in your advise on price. However if=20
> > anyone is interested please email me, I will have a full=20
> > online demo soon!=20
> > although if required something will be ready tomorrow but=20
> > only for anyone who emails me as its very raw.
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> > Cheers guys
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