Re: PLCBUS

["Jo" <utomow2005@xxxxxxxxx>]

Could you also give the URL for Philips Smart Lighting that uses PLCBUS
techonology? I need to get further information and google did not seem to
return usefull information regarding this.

Rgds,
Jo

"Jack Lah" <jacklah@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1152695909.709039.283560@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Hi...
>
> I using PLC-Bus for a couple of months now in my house and it works
> exactly as they specified. Fast, reliable and compatible with X-10.
> Don't want use any other system anymore...
>
> PLC-Bus is already excisting for a couple of years... in 2002 invented
> by ATS Ltd. in Amsterdam, Netherlands.... UPB is just 2 years old and
> PLC-Bus is launched by ATS Ltd. in 2002 after several years of
> development.... probarly is UPB based on PLC-Bus as they have a lot of
> same technical specifications...
>
> Reason for me to use PLC-Bus is because a lot of big companies like
> Philips, Microsoft, IBM, KPN, Nokia, Motorola, HP, DELL, IBM, Siemens
> and Intel have a agreement with PLC-bus and plans to use it in there
> consumer electronics. Philips is coming soon with new lighting on the
> market... called SMART LIGHTING and is based on this PLC-bus... PLC-Bus
> is already tested for several years and now ready to be launched as the
> new industrial standard for home automation & networking...
>
> Personal I don't trust UPB... they call them self the leader for remote
> lighting control.... yeh right... X-10 is still the most used protocol
> for Home Automation worldwide... okay that is there marketing
> strategy... compare your systems with a old technology of 30 years
> ago.... but if I read there website and the technical documents I get
> the all time different specifications.... 62.500 or 64.000
> addresses.... 480 or 240 bits.... 4 or 6 signals per second... 40 or
> 100 times faster then X10 ( yeh right, I need to wait 50 seconds for my
> light goes on? ).... compare UPB with the modern systems from the last
> 2 years like PLC-Bus, Z-Wave, S10, X-10 II... and you will see a lot in
> common.... so UPB is just the next clone of X-10 only with the
> arrogancy that they have THE system..... only the advantage other
> systems that they are compatible with X-10.... UPB not....
>
> my 2 cents...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave Houston wrote:
>> I finally found the download link.
>>
>> The file "PLCBUS Technical Informations.pdf" has absolutely no technical
>> information. It is all marketing fluff with a pitch for investors.
>>
>> Some of the things included in the PDF are quite similar to the slides in
>> this presentation...
>>
>>      http://www.ieee-denver.org/comsoc/presentations/UPB.pdf
>>
>> so it may be that they have copied UPB. There just isn't sufficient
>> technical detail to decide.
>>
>> The PDF does indicate they plan to enter the US market while in another
>> place on their web site they claim millions of existing installations in
>> the
>> US and Europe.
>>
>> At the end of the document (p29) is this...
>> <quote>
>> As of June 2005 SSE Ltd. has filed two patents covering the
>> basic methods and implementation of the PLCBUS technology.
>> </quote>
>> If it is UPB or if it is licensed from a company in Holland (ATS Ltd),
>> they
>> certainly could not patent it.
>>
>> "PLCBUS Specification" is an .rar file. It has a corrupt header and
>> WinRAR
>> cannot open it.
>>
>> I won't waste anymore time on this.
>>
>> "Jo" <utomow2005@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> >I could not get into their website just now, but it is in the donwload
>> >link
>> >on www.plcbus.com.cn.
>> >
>> >If you have a yahoo mail or any other email that have anti spam, maybe I
>> >could send both pdf files to you.
>> >
>> >BTW, they do have their PLCBUS product lines, I've got their price list.
>> >Just not sure should buy or not for compatibility reason with OmniPro
>> >II.
>> >They suggest using their X-10 to PLCBUS transceiver which I do not
>> >interest
>> >as this scheme still using X-10.
>> >
>> >Rgds,
>> >W. Utomo
>> >"Dave Houston" <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >news:44944224.36965125@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>I don't doubt the company exists but I seriously doubt the PLC-BUS
>> >>product
>> >> line exists.
>> >>
>> >> Do you have a URL for "PLCBUS Technical Informations.pdf"?
>> >>
>> >> The press release makes it clear that they licensed the technology
>> >> from a
>> >> company in Holland rather than from PCS.
>> >>
>> >> "Jo" <utomow2005@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Dave,
>> >>>
>> >>>this company do exist, I have bought X-10 switches from them. I also
>> >>>have
>> >>>send emails asking about their similarity with UPB, but as you might
>> >>>have
>> >>>expected, no good answers regarding technical questions.
>> >>>
>> >>>Saying that this technology has nothing to do with UPB, I think it is
>> >>>too
>> >>>premature. If you have downloaded UPB_Overview.pdf from UPB and
>> >>>"PLCBUS
>> >>>Technical Informations.pdf", I believe you would say there is
>> >>>something
>> >>>between the two (At least their presentation format and general
>> >>>informations). Go to "UPB Communications Summary" on page 6 of the
>> >>>first
>> >>>pdf
>> >>>file and compare it with "3. Product Definition Product Features" on
>> >>>page
>> >>>18
>> >>>in the second pdf file. You would be surprise on how similar the two.
>> >>>
>> >>>My suspicion is that UPB licences the tecnology to this company with
>> >>>the
>> >>>agreement that S-10 can use a different software protocol and market
>> >>>them
>> >>>with different name. In terms of hardware signalling, I guess both of
>> >>>them
>> >>>are at least almost the same.
>> >>>
>> >>>Just my two cents.
>> >>>
>> >>>Best Regards,
>> >>>Jo
>> >>>
>> >>>"Dave Houston" <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >>>news:4493f814.18005125@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>> That's not encouraging since China's Labor's Day holidays were May
>> >>>> 1-7.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A little more sleuthing on their various web pages turned up this
>> >>>> link
>> >>>> on
>> >>>> the origins of PLC-BUS. It appears to have nothing to do with UPB.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>     http://www.x10bus.com/customercare/news-20.htm
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I really doubt that it even exists outside the imagination of
>> >>>> whoever
>> >>>> created the press releases.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> veekaydee@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Dave Houston wrote:
>> >>>>>> Jo,
>> >>>>>> Your best approach is to send email to info@xxxxxx asking the
>> >>>>>> questions
>> >>>>>> you
>> >>>>>> have directly.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>done that ten times minimum.. no response  still on holidays "labour
>> >>>>>day" :-)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>will want to order but not encourging response   i.e. no response to
>> >>>>>mails /leaving queries on the site /calling 800 number
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>if any of you get lucky  let me know as well
>> >>>>
>> >>
>



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