Re: PLCBUS

["Jack Lah" <jacklah@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi...

I using PLC-Bus for a couple of months now in my house and it works
exactly as they specified. Fast, reliable and compatible with X-10.
Don't want use any other system anymore...

PLC-Bus is already excisting for a couple of years... in 2002 invented
by ATS Ltd. in Amsterdam, Netherlands.... UPB is just 2 years old and
PLC-Bus is launched by ATS Ltd. in 2002 after several years of
development.... probarly is UPB based on PLC-Bus as they have a lot of
same technical specifications...

Reason for me to use PLC-Bus is because a lot of big companies like
Philips, Microsoft, IBM, KPN, Nokia, Motorola, HP, DELL, IBM, Siemens
and Intel have a agreement with PLC-bus and plans to use it in there
consumer electronics. Philips is coming soon with new lighting on the
market... called SMART LIGHTING and is based on this PLC-bus... PLC-Bus
is already tested for several years and now ready to be launched as the
new industrial standard for home automation & networking...

Personal I don't trust UPB... they call them self the leader for remote
lighting control.... yeh right... X-10 is still the most used protocol
for Home Automation worldwide... okay that is there marketing
strategy... compare your systems with a old technology of 30 years
ago.... but if I read there website and the technical documents I get
the all time different specifications.... 62.500 or 64.000
addresses.... 480 or 240 bits.... 4 or 6 signals per second... 40 or
100 times faster then X10 ( yeh right, I need to wait 50 seconds for my
light goes on? ).... compare UPB with the modern systems from the last
2 years like PLC-Bus, Z-Wave, S10, X-10 II... and you will see a lot in
common.... so UPB is just the next clone of X-10 only with the
arrogancy that they have THE system..... only the advantage other
systems that they are compatible with X-10.... UPB not....

my 2 cents...






Dave Houston wrote:
> I finally found the download link.
>
> The file "PLCBUS Technical Informations.pdf" has absolutely no technical
> information. It is all marketing fluff with a pitch for investors.
>
> Some of the things included in the PDF are quite similar to the slides in
> this presentation...
>
>      http://www.ieee-denver.org/comsoc/presentations/UPB.pdf
>
> so it may be that they have copied UPB. There just isn't sufficient
> technical detail to decide.
>
> The PDF does indicate they plan to enter the US market while in another
> place on their web site they claim millions of existing installations in the
> US and Europe.
>
> At the end of the document (p29) is this...
> <quote>
> As of June 2005 SSE Ltd. has filed two patents covering the
> basic methods and implementation of the PLCBUS technology.
> </quote>
> If it is UPB or if it is licensed from a company in Holland (ATS Ltd), they
> certainly could not patent it.
>
> "PLCBUS Specification" is an .rar file. It has a corrupt header and WinRAR
> cannot open it.
>
> I won't waste anymore time on this.
>
> "Jo" <utomow2005@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >I could not get into their website just now, but it is in the donwload link
> >on www.plcbus.com.cn.
> >
> >If you have a yahoo mail or any other email that have anti spam, maybe I
> >could send both pdf files to you.
> >
> >BTW, they do have their PLCBUS product lines, I've got their price list.
> >Just not sure should buy or not for compatibility reason with OmniPro II.
> >They suggest using their X-10 to PLCBUS transceiver which I do not interest
> >as this scheme still using X-10.
> >
> >Rgds,
> >W. Utomo
> >"Dave Houston" <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >news:44944224.36965125@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>I don't doubt the company exists but I seriously doubt the PLC-BUS product
> >> line exists.
> >>
> >> Do you have a URL for "PLCBUS Technical Informations.pdf"?
> >>
> >> The press release makes it clear that they licensed the technology from a
> >> company in Holland rather than from PCS.
> >>
> >> "Jo" <utomow2005@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Dave,
> >>>
> >>>this company do exist, I have bought X-10 switches from them. I also have
> >>>send emails asking about their similarity with UPB, but as you might have
> >>>expected, no good answers regarding technical questions.
> >>>
> >>>Saying that this technology has nothing to do with UPB, I think it is too
> >>>premature. If you have downloaded UPB_Overview.pdf from UPB and "PLCBUS
> >>>Technical Informations.pdf", I believe you would say there is something
> >>>between the two (At least their presentation format and general
> >>>informations). Go to "UPB Communications Summary" on page 6 of the first
> >>>pdf
> >>>file and compare it with "3. Product Definition Product Features" on page
> >>>18
> >>>in the second pdf file. You would be surprise on how similar the two.
> >>>
> >>>My suspicion is that UPB licences the tecnology to this company with the
> >>>agreement that S-10 can use a different software protocol and market them
> >>>with different name. In terms of hardware signalling, I guess both of them
> >>>are at least almost the same.
> >>>
> >>>Just my two cents.
> >>>
> >>>Best Regards,
> >>>Jo
> >>>
> >>>"Dave Houston" <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>>news:4493f814.18005125@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> That's not encouraging since China's Labor's Day holidays were May 1-7.
> >>>>
> >>>> A little more sleuthing on their various web pages turned up this link
> >>>> on
> >>>> the origins of PLC-BUS. It appears to have nothing to do with UPB.
> >>>>
> >>>>     http://www.x10bus.com/customercare/news-20.htm
> >>>>
> >>>> I really doubt that it even exists outside the imagination of whoever
> >>>> created the press releases.
> >>>>
> >>>> veekaydee@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Dave Houston wrote:
> >>>>>> Jo,
> >>>>>> Your best approach is to send email to info@xxxxxx asking the
> >>>>>> questions
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> have directly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>done that ten times minimum.. no response  still on holidays "labour
> >>>>>day" :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>will want to order but not encourging response   i.e. no response to
> >>>>>mails /leaving queries on the site /calling 800 number
> >>>>>
> >>>>>if any of you get lucky  let me know as well
> >>>>
> >>