Re: PLCBUS

["Konnexman" <beirao.nuno@xxxxxxxxx>]

My friends,

The home automation registered standards in Europe are:

Konnex and LonWorks!

All the other systems around are proprietary ones or are not industry
standards recognized as such.



Jo wrote:
> Could you also give the URL for Philips Smart Lighting that uses PLCBUS
> techonology? I need to get further information and google did not seem to
> return usefull information regarding this.
>
> Rgds,
> Jo
>
> "Jack Lah" <jacklah@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:1152695909.709039.283560@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Hi...
> >
> > I using PLC-Bus for a couple of months now in my house and it works
> > exactly as they specified. Fast, reliable and compatible with X-10.
> > Don't want use any other system anymore...
> >
> > PLC-Bus is already excisting for a couple of years... in 2002 invented
> > by ATS Ltd. in Amsterdam, Netherlands.... UPB is just 2 years old and
> > PLC-Bus is launched by ATS Ltd. in 2002 after several years of
> > development.... probarly is UPB based on PLC-Bus as they have a lot of
> > same technical specifications...
> >
> > Reason for me to use PLC-Bus is because a lot of big companies like
> > Philips, Microsoft, IBM, KPN, Nokia, Motorola, HP, DELL, IBM, Siemens
> > and Intel have a agreement with PLC-bus and plans to use it in there
> > consumer electronics. Philips is coming soon with new lighting on the
> > market... called SMART LIGHTING and is based on this PLC-bus... PLC-Bus
> > is already tested for several years and now ready to be launched as the
> > new industrial standard for home automation & networking...
> >
> > Personal I don't trust UPB... they call them self the leader for remote
> > lighting control.... yeh right... X-10 is still the most used protocol
> > for Home Automation worldwide... okay that is there marketing
> > strategy... compare your systems with a old technology of 30 years
> > ago.... but if I read there website and the technical documents I get
> > the all time different specifications.... 62.500 or 64.000
> > addresses.... 480 or 240 bits.... 4 or 6 signals per second... 40 or
> > 100 times faster then X10 ( yeh right, I need to wait 50 seconds for my
> > light goes on? ).... compare UPB with the modern systems from the last
> > 2 years like PLC-Bus, Z-Wave, S10, X-10 II... and you will see a lot in
> > common.... so UPB is just the next clone of X-10 only with the
> > arrogancy that they have THE system..... only the advantage other
> > systems that they are compatible with X-10.... UPB not....
> >
> > my 2 cents...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave Houston wrote:
> >> I finally found the download link.
> >>
> >> The file "PLCBUS Technical Informations.pdf" has absolutely no technical
> >> information. It is all marketing fluff with a pitch for investors.
> >>
> >> Some of the things included in the PDF are quite similar to the slides in
> >> this presentation...
> >>
> >>      http://www.ieee-denver.org/comsoc/presentations/UPB.pdf
> >>
> >> so it may be that they have copied UPB. There just isn't sufficient
> >> technical detail to decide.
> >>
> >> The PDF does indicate they plan to enter the US market while in another
> >> place on their web site they claim millions of existing installations in
> >> the
> >> US and Europe.
> >>
> >> At the end of the document (p29) is this...
> >> <quote>
> >> As of June 2005 SSE Ltd. has filed two patents covering the
> >> basic methods and implementation of the PLCBUS technology.
> >> </quote>
> >> If it is UPB or if it is licensed from a company in Holland (ATS Ltd),
> >> they
> >> certainly could not patent it.
> >>
> >> "PLCBUS Specification" is an .rar file. It has a corrupt header and
> >> WinRAR
> >> cannot open it.
> >>
> >> I won't waste anymore time on this.
> >>
> >> "Jo" <utomow2005@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I could not get into their website just now, but it is in the donwload
> >> >link
> >> >on www.plcbus.com.cn.
> >> >
> >> >If you have a yahoo mail or any other email that have anti spam, maybe I
> >> >could send both pdf files to you.
> >> >
> >> >BTW, they do have their PLCBUS product lines, I've got their price list.
> >> >Just not sure should buy or not for compatibility reason with OmniPro
> >> >II.
> >> >They suggest using their X-10 to PLCBUS transceiver which I do not
> >> >interest
> >> >as this scheme still using X-10.
> >> >
> >> >Rgds,
> >> >W. Utomo
> >> >"Dave Houston" <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >news:44944224.36965125@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>I don't doubt the company exists but I seriously doubt the PLC-BUS
> >> >>product
> >> >> line exists.
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you have a URL for "PLCBUS Technical Informations.pdf"?
> >> >>
> >> >> The press release makes it clear that they licensed the technology
> >> >> from a
> >> >> company in Holland rather than from PCS.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Jo" <utomow2005@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>Dave,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>this company do exist, I have bought X-10 switches from them. I also
> >> >>>have
> >> >>>send emails asking about their similarity with UPB, but as you might
> >> >>>have
> >> >>>expected, no good answers regarding technical questions.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Saying that this technology has nothing to do with UPB, I think it is
> >> >>>too
> >> >>>premature. If you have downloaded UPB_Overview.pdf from UPB and
> >> >>>"PLCBUS
> >> >>>Technical Informations.pdf", I believe you would say there is
> >> >>>something
> >> >>>between the two (At least their presentation format and general
> >> >>>informations). Go to "UPB Communications Summary" on page 6 of the
> >> >>>first
> >> >>>pdf
> >> >>>file and compare it with "3. Product Definition Product Features" on
> >> >>>page
> >> >>>18
> >> >>>in the second pdf file. You would be surprise on how similar the two.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>My suspicion is that UPB licences the tecnology to this company with
> >> >>>the
> >> >>>agreement that S-10 can use a different software protocol and market
> >> >>>them
> >> >>>with different name. In terms of hardware signalling, I guess both of
> >> >>>them
> >> >>>are at least almost the same.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Just my two cents.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Best Regards,
> >> >>>Jo
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"Dave Houston" <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:4493f814.18005125@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>>> That's not encouraging since China's Labor's Day holidays were May
> >> >>>> 1-7.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> A little more sleuthing on their various web pages turned up this
> >> >>>> link
> >> >>>> on
> >> >>>> the origins of PLC-BUS. It appears to have nothing to do with UPB.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>     http://www.x10bus.com/customercare/news-20.htm
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I really doubt that it even exists outside the imagination of
> >> >>>> whoever
> >> >>>> created the press releases.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> veekaydee@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>Dave Houston wrote:
> >> >>>>>> Jo,
> >> >>>>>> Your best approach is to send email to info@xxxxxx asking the
> >> >>>>>> questions
> >> >>>>>> you
> >> >>>>>> have directly.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>done that ten times minimum.. no response  still on holidays "labour
> >> >>>>>day" :-)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>will want to order but not encourging response   i.e. no response to
> >> >>>>>mails /leaving queries on the site /calling 800 number
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>if any of you get lucky  let me know as well
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> >
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