Re: Problem with Scantronic avenger VI

[tourman <robercampbell@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Aug 29, 9:57=A0am, mleuck <m.le...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 7:21=A0am, tourman <robercampb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Aug 27, 7:47=A0am, Jim Rojas <jro...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > Jim wrote:
> > > > On Aug 27, 12:29 am, Frank Kurz<t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> =A0wrote:
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> > > >> That's not necessarily true in all cases. =A0You can't always equa=
te a
> > > >> "hot" battery with "dead battery". =A0Considering the alarm panel =
is
> > > >> prehistoric however, I'm thinking the OP should follow the advice =
of our
> > > >> resident Technosaur and turf the battery. =A0I believe his problem=
s will
> > > >> become a thing of the past (just like his panel). =A0:-)
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> > > > That's funny. ( Technosaur) Did you just make that up?
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> > > As I remember, those panels were very troublesome, keypads wore out
> > > fast, and didn't handle static electricity very well. We replaced all=
 of
> > > them within 5 years of their introduction back in the 1980's
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> > > Jim Rojas
> > > Technical Manuals Online!http://www.tech-man.com
> > > 8002 Cornwall Lane
> > > Tampa, FL 33615-4604
> > > 813-884-6335
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> > RHC: I've been following this thread with some interest. You have to
> > wonder why some people insist upon putting an old clunker like this
> > back in service especially if it's going on line with the authorities.
> > No one would try to keep a 386 computer in service today, especially
> > in a business application, but they'll try to keep an old alarm
> > clunker going forever. With panels and keypads available wholesale at
> > less than $100, you really have to wonder!!!!
>
> > The other thing I still haven't figured out after 20 years in the
> > business, is a customer will go out and spend $1000 on a big screen
> > TV, but not a penny on a decent alarm.....go figure
>
> We still have a zillion old panels like the AT&T 8000 out there, the
> flaw in your argument is that some customers get so used to the system
> and WILL NOT go for an upgrade no matter what.
>
> As far as the 386 you'd be surprised with them still being used on old
> dedicated workstations and some dedicated devices, if I recall either
> the Honeywell Optiflex or 7845i Internet communicator used an old
> 386SX chip as the main processor.

RHC: Yeah that is most likely very true. But you have to wonder if
these old clunkers contribute to the false alarm problem (which is
severe in most locals) due to worn out contacts, old and frayed wiring
and all the other things that plague old hardware. When I'm taking
over an old system and replacing it with a new one, most of the wiring
is ok, but very often I can see where it could easily lead to a false
alarm (problems of routing, passing over heat pipes, no staples....you
name it)

I sense you are correct about many customers getting so used to their
old panel they wont go for an upgrade. I remember a few years ago, I
put in the latest and greatest for a client, who took it out a few
months later and replaced it with an older system with the same keypad
she had before....her reason " it's easier to use with my long
fingernails"....??????

No question, there definately is a "human element" in the
equation.....:))