Re: Ping: Jim (Napco PCI-Mini)

[mleuck <m.leuck@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Nov 6, 8:01=A0am, Frank Olson
<use_the_email_li...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > "Robert L Bass" <Sa...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >news:04udnXuB5clIsG7XnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Some installing companies which mainly sell simple, quick-to-install
> >> packages might prefer another manufacturer, especially one that doesn'=
t
> >> require technical know-how.
> >> I can teach a new DIYer to program the typical, 16- to 32-zone system =
in
> >> less than a half hour on the phone. =A0Smaller jobs take about 20 minu=
tes to
> >> configure.
> >> Regards,
> >> Robert L Bass
>
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> >>http://www.bassburgIaraIarms.com
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> > If a know nothing doofus like you can teach someone over the phone in 2=
0
> > minutes to set up a Napco panel, then the Napco doesn't seem so very
> > different from the "quick to install no tech know required" systems tha=
t you
> > put down in your previous paragraph.
>
> > Doug.
>
> I thought the time frame was a bit of a stretch too, but then you have
> to consider that Robert's obviously feeling better and is in one of his
> "feisty" moods. =A0Now at this point, you have a choice. =A0You obviously
> decided to "escalate" with the comment "know nothing doofus". =A0Robert's
> risen to Mark's baiting as well. =A0

Mark isn't baiting anyone, Robert wants to push obsolete dongles that
no other brand requires

> Seems to me that the group is sort of
> teetering on the edge of going back to where it was. =A0Personally I don'=
t
> want to see that happen.

Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make things magically go away.

>=A0I know he's rubbed a lot of people the wrong
> way for years and God willing he'll continue to do so for many more.

Exactly, nothing has changed nor will it

> Robert's knowledge extends to more than "just Napco". =A0He happens to
> prefer it.

Robert primarily knows some Napco, he just doesn't know how to do what
a vast majority of Napco installers know how to do which is keypad
programming. To have THAT big of a gap in knowledge of a product is
inexcusable in my opinion.

Judging by what I've seen here over the years he doesn't know much at
all about the other brands, remember he gets a list of products from
his distributor so in some cases he doesn't know he even sells
products he lists on his page (like carpet snakes)

=A0My preference is between the DSC 1864 and the Ademco Vista
> products. =A0Neither may have the options that the higher end Elk or Napc=
o
> panels have,

The PC1864 is not intended to go up against the high-end of Elk or
Napco, it was made to replace the PC5020 and PC4010, it's a mid-market
panel. The higher-end Vista, Caddx and DSC panels compare very well
with Napco and are much easier and faster to program be they by
download or keypad programming. Every panel can do something better
than the others.

Every manufacturer has the same types of product lines, high-mid-low-
end products but look at the market share, Honeywell's first, DSC's
second, GE's third and Napco's last

> but they serve our clients well. =A0Robert's market is rather
> specific, and the individuals that frequent the CHA group are perfect
> examples. =A0Now... =A0do I have to come over there?? =A0Or are we going =
to
> play nice? =A0:-)

Or you can stick your head back in the sand... (... added for Jim)